See people conflate beatmaking and producing way too often.
Because 'beatmaking vs producing' is a myth used to deflect from established names stealing/taking total credit (or taking more credit than they deserve) from up-and-comers.
You'll notice this beatmaker/producer shyt only gets brought up when Dr Dre is being discussed. And the hilarious thing is that insecure Dre stans will often say [insert East Coast producer] is a beatmaker, not a producer to place Dre on this arbitrary pedestal. I've seen people on here refer to Premo/Pete Rock as beatmakers. The whole shyt is ludicrous.
Check this: The song "Half Man Half Amazin" is credited as being produced by Grap Luva, with co-production from Pete Rock. Grap Luva himself has said that even though he made the beat, Pete Rock took out the drums, replaced them with better drum sounds, added scratches, and added a crucial vocal sample to the beat that really took the beat to the next level. Essentially dressed the beat up real nice. Then Pete Rock A&R'd the record by specifically going after Method Man to be on it because he thought Method Man would fit. We don't know about the mixing and mastering part but Pete Rock's name is not mentioned there. Despite Pete Rock obviously taking Grap's beat to a whole new level,
Grap Luva is still credited as the producer. The main producer. Pete Rock is co-producer.
Dre could do the same shyt Pete did (and less), and y'all would fall over yourselves praising Dre as a genius producer and minimize Grap Luva as a lowly beatmaker. Funny how that works.
In hip hop, the most driving part of the song is the beat. As a fan, I wanna know who envisioned and put together those sounds/samples and
especially drum patterns together into a cohesive, fascinating melody. That's what Grap Luva did, so he's the producer. I don't really give a fukk who mixed and mastered it. As
@Tommy Gibbs said, we know Bob Power engineered damn near all of Tribe's classics. But Q-Tip is the producer. Simple. Q-Tip envisioned the whole shyt. The samples, the rhythm, etc. Nobody is gonna make a list of GOAT producers and throw Bob Power on there.
So if Dre is a glorified sound engineer, great. But why force him into GOAT producer convo?
Anyone can make a beat. It takes Metro Boomin and Zaytoven like 10 minutes to make a beat. I can make a beat on Garageband for free.
So what? what does this even mean?
Anyone can do anything. The issue has always been 'who does it well', not who can do it on a basic level.
Producing goes beyond the beat maker and involves two steps: mixing and mastering. You have to mix before mastering. Mastering is probably the easiest step once the mix is finally done.
I dunno about that, breh. Producers are gonna be involved in those steps because they want the best for their vision/song but they always have guys who do the mixing/mastering stuff. Timbaland has a guy who mixed all his shyt throughout the 90s.
Mixing and mastering make average beats into great songs.
That's total bullshyt. You really believe this?
Make shytty beats into alright beats. It's what separated Pete Rock's version of Juicy and Puff's.
No it isn't
They're totally different records.
Aside from using the same section of the sample, everything else is different: the drum patterns, drum sounds, the extra shyt Trackmasters added and the overall swing. Pete Rock's version is more Bboy, edgier attitude and Trackmasters is slower, laid-back, house-party rocking-with-a-chick kinda vibe.
Like 99% of them tracks came after His keyboard work on Dr. Dre 2001
