Dr. Cornell West on Voting for Biden/Harris, but, not "endorsing" them.

[desjardins]

disagree. all that smoke for Obama, but you don't hear shyt about Trump from him.

People already addressed this in the thread. Is this the new establish dem strategy now?
I've heard this same "where they at now" argument about Cornell, Bernie, ADOS. As if people can control what the media reports.

 

[Youseenmywork]

Cornell West and Tavis were dead on about Obama.

More negroes shoulda listened to them. Instead we were so caught up in the image and symbolism of the first "Black" President.
12 years later and we are about to fall for the same thing.

I've said the same thing plenty of times but I want get into on the coli thoe . nikkas is too emotional on here ...but Obama was a coo guy and I'll leave it at that.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Cornell West got froze out of the black community because he went out of his way to disparage the first black president because of some perceived slight over not getting free tickets to Obamas inauguration.

A lot of ppl turned on him and Tavis Smiley, two self important niccas that actually chartered a bus and went on a nationwide tour to talk trash about Obama, while coincidentally both these niccas been eerily quiet when it comes to Trump.

/thread

 

[Nigerianwonder]

if Cornel had been out there protesting and criticizing Clinton the way he did Obama, no one would have cared. But it's like, he gave everybody else a pass, and then when the first black president got in there, then here he comes with foolishness.

And then it's never honest criticism. It's always some BS for the most part.

You are being disengenious. Clinton never got a blanket free pass and folks were not trying to hear ANY criticism on Obama when he was running and his 1st term. Thats the difference. Obama was the first time black folks openly said they were giving their vote to dems for free and said it proudly. Before dems at least needed to do some lip service. Black folks were proudly Voting cause he was black and had a chance to win and nothing more. We didnt care if he threw farrakhan, his pastor or his momma under the bus to do so. Folks were caught up in the moment...

west and smiley rightfully tried to remind folks he is still a politician and still running on the party platform so we should treat him like all other politician and make sure we have a black agenda or something to hold him accountable for getting our votes.

Folks were not trying to hear that at the time... it was all wait until Obama gets elected... he gonna switch up once in office! He playing chess yall!! he gonna take care of black folks in the second term!! Just wait... if had any criticism at all for obama when he ran and the first term folks came for your neck.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

People already addressed this in the thread. Is this the new establish dem strategy now?
I've heard this same "where they at now" argument about Cornell, Bernie, ADOS. As if people can control what the media reports.

so it's the media that's keeping Cornel and Tavis from going on a poverty bus tour during the Trump years

 

[get these nets]

the breh literally posted Cornel's own words admitting it's about his hurt feelings

TLR is an echo chamber for a good % of people.
People become accustomed to smilie-ing, insulting, or deflecting their way out of it when presented with evidence.

Still waiting for the dude who asked for the proof to concede the point.

 

[Rekkapryde]

so it's the media that's keeping Cornel and Tavis from going on a poverty bus tour during the Trump years

if Cornell and Tavis were up on that stage in the 2009 inauguration they wouldn't have done any of that shyt. nikkaz feelins got hurt.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

You are being disengenious. Clinton never got a blanket free pass and folks were not trying to hear ANY criticism on Obama when he was running and his 1st term. Thats the difference. Obama was the first time black folks openly said they were giving their vote to dems for free and said it proudly. Before dems at least needed to do some lip service. Black folks were proudly Voting cause he was black and had a chance to win and nothing more. We didnt care if he threw farrakhan, his pastor or his momma under the bus to do so. Folks were caught up in the moment...

west and smiley rightfully tried to remind folks he is still a politician and still running on the party platform so we should treat him like all other politician and make sure we have a black agenda or something to hold him accountable for getting our votes.

Folks were not trying to hear that at the time... it was all wait until Obama gets elected... he gonna switch up once in office! He playing chess yall!! he gonna take care of black folks in the second term!! Just wait... if had any criticism at all for obama when he ran and the first term folks came for your neck.

I posted what Obama did for black ppl and no one has refuted it.

So why do you keep trying to push the narrative that he didn't take care of black folks?

As far as him throwing Farrakhan away, Farrakhan is a Trump supporting idiot that is making bank off of ignorant black ppl.

As far as him throwing away his pastor, his pastor was paid off to get out there and talk trash about Obama. Obama's first inclination wasn't to throw his pastor under the bus.

In fact, it was the opposite. Obama defended Jeremiah Wright. He even gave a special address to talk about the things that Wright said and why Wright felt that way.

After Obama did that, Wright kept on with the F boy stuff, and so Obama cut ties. What was he supposed to do?

Im not saying that Obama wasn't a politician. He was. That's all he ever said he was. I will agree with you that a lot of niccas saw him as the second coming, but that's on him. He never went out there saying he was the Messiah.

He simply said that he had a plan and that he believed that he could lead America into a brighter future. And he did that.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

if Cornell and Tavis were up on that stage in the 2009 inauguration they wouldn't have done any of that shyt. nikkaz feelins got hurt.

the crazy part about it is that Tavis and Cornel both admitted this themselves, and niccas still in here trying to tell us it's not true

 

[CBSkyline]

That's moving the goal posts, isn't it?

The Black middle class expanded during the time frame you are referencing.
And that rise is related to Fed. initiatives by Congress and certain presidents to provide greater access to resources to people.

What moved goal post? I never laid down a previous one. The time period I referenced covers Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W Bush, Obama, and Trump administration. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who says that crop produced anything greater than stagnation and the rare respite. Obama is seen by many here as the best name on the list, and questions over whether he did anything, is literally one of the topics of this thread.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Sounds like an endorsement to me

No it isn’t. It’s like having a friend who is messing up. You’re down for him/her but you’re not endorsing any BS they’re on.

 

[saturn7]

Tavis spittin'

from 4/6/16

 

[Dwayne_Taylor]

Cornell West got froze out of the black community because he went out of his way to disparage the first black president because of some perceived slight over not getting free tickets to Obamas inauguration.

A lot of ppl turned on him and Tavis Smiley, two self important niccas that actually chartered a bus and went on a nationwide tour to talk trash about Obama, while coincidentally both these niccas been eerily quiet when it comes to Trump.

To be fair Tavis is quiet these days because he lost his show and sponsors behind his me to incident.

West has been vocal about Trump

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

To be fair Tavis is quiet these days because he lost his show and sponsors behind his me to incident.

West has been vocal about Trump

I

Haven't

Seen

A

Bus

Tour

Where is the bus tour? Surely if Obama was so bad that it warranted a bus tour, they should dedicate a full worldwide stadium tour to Trump, right?

 

[get these nets]

It was all good just a week ago






Got beef with radio if I don't play they show
They don't play my hits, well, I don't give a shyt, so

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For the young'uns
Tavis Smiley used to host an extremely popular forum every year on CSPAN. America's Black Forum, and EVERYBODY would appear. Literally corporate leaders, religious leaders, politicians, college presidents, etc

During the 2008 election, candidate Obama declined the invite and offered to send Mrs. Obama instead. I believe candidate Clinton accepted the invite.

Spoiler: article about it

https://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/23/obama.sobu/

Smiley was hurt and never got over Obama snubbing him and has been on his helmet almost ever since he won the election.

Again, I love and respect Tavis Smiley but these are facts.