Dr. Cornell West on Voting for Biden/Harris, but, not "endorsing" them.

Joined
Apr 3, 2014
Messages
71,910
Reputation
17,059
Daps
305,989
That talking point has been beaten to death by people you can't actually debate his points on Obama.

I had to stop once I couldn't debate him.

And, no, they are not.

They are better, but, you way you actually know their records and think it's that much of a upgrade.

It's that they are a 3/10 and Trump is -5 outta 10.

We have to stop that talking point with no proof.




the talking point about Cornell being mad at Obama cause he felt he was snubbed?

Cornell himself said that, so why would you say there's no proof?
 

saturn7

Politics is an EXCHANGE!!!
Joined
May 25, 2012
Messages
12,012
Reputation
2,710
Daps
58,508
Reppin
DMV Freedman
Their gripes with Obama were directly tied to personal snubs. Before the snubs, they supported him.
More importantly, before the snubs both men held their tongues during the Clinton presidency about the SAME topics that they challenged/criticized Obama about.

Cornel West interview on the Clintons and "Race Matters" (1993)


I can't remember all of Cornel's positions during the Clinton years. This is an interesting interview. You can say he was kinda caping for Bill.
 

Born2BKing

Veteran
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
82,042
Reputation
13,960
Daps
326,464
You can critic Biden all you want after he’s president. But saying that dumb sh1t Cornell did was unnecessary. Never liked the dude to be honest. Every time I see him on the news he’s always trying to sound smart by being unnecessarily verbose. Using ridiculous words. Fucck him.
Calling Sean Hannity "brother Hannity" Ayo fukk Cornell West. Anybody who has the nerve to call Sean Hannity brother is a c00n.
 
Joined
Apr 3, 2014
Messages
71,910
Reputation
17,059
Daps
305,989
Cornel West interview on the Clintons and "Race Matters" (1993)


I can't remember all of Cornel's positions during the Clinton years. This is an interesting interview. You can say he was kinda caping for Bill.





you gotta understand...

no one is saying that anyone is above criticism. all I'm asking is that folks keep that same energy

Even on the coli, man, criticize Kamala and Biden all you want... but when I see that you have criticism for them all the time and you ain't giving Trump the smoke too, then it makes one wonder.

if Cornel had been out there protesting and criticizing Clinton the way he did Obama, no one would have cared. But it's like, he gave everybody else a pass, and then when the first black president got in there, then here he comes with foolishness.

And look at it from this point of view... any black person that gets into any position is always going to have to deal with the racism of white people (while they pretend that "no we aren't racist" and at the same time, doing every racist thing imaginable)

Then they have to deal with it from black ppl too?

So they're attacked on both sides, from white folks and black people. Can you imagine that?

And then it's never honest criticism. It's always some BS for the most part.
 

KOohbt

Superstar
Supporter
Joined
May 6, 2012
Messages
13,454
Reputation
2,175
Daps
49,532
Reppin
NULL
Basically he's admitting that young black folks ain't feeling that shyt. For obvious reasons. So he just trying to have one foot in c00n world and one foot in the streets. But he's c00n and so is anybody who supports Kamala. They all sell out lame ass nikkas.
 

hostsamurai

Demon King Of Salvation
Supporter
Joined
Nov 18, 2016
Messages
4,769
Reputation
8,965
Daps
23,195
Reppin
London
Why not pressure him now?
That's true. Ideally, he should be pressured until the end of his probable presidency. But my point is posters are not discussing what needs to happen if he wins the election. If y'all are going to vote for him knowing his record then you also need to get organized and protest and show that there is no room for establishment politics when there are generations when he have a climate emergency and generations that are saddled with debt and have never experienced a relative raise in wages.

I've had the luxury of voting for a socialist leader since I became 18 but in 2024 I'll have to make a choice whether I'll vote for a centrist that clearly doesn't care for black people or sit out. First past the post is a blight on democracy.
 

JLova

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
May 6, 2012
Messages
58,167
Reputation
3,987
Daps
174,930
Sounds like the trump voters yall get mad at.

"We don't agree with him, but we vote for him".

Anyways, I agree in the sense that Biden/Kamala are the pick...you don't have to support them, but the battle is Trump at this point. I'd be willing to see how Biden and Kamala do before tossing them to the bushes.
 

get these nets

Veteran
Joined
Jul 8, 2017
Messages
53,202
Reputation
14,339
Daps
200,474
Reppin
Above the fray.
That talking point has been beaten to death by people you can't actually debate his points on Obama.

We have to stop that talking point with no proof.

He said it on air multiple times.

Here is a full print interview and the excerpt of his comments below

NPR Choice page

From Aug 2010


COX: Have you communicated with him personally?

Prof. WEST: Well, I'll tell you, I had not talked to my dear brother since the Martin Luther King gathering in South Carolina, and very briefly Super Tuesday. But he did come and make a beeline to me after his speech on I think it was Thursday morning in Washington, D.C. I hadn't seen him for two and a half weeks, and he made a beeline to me, though, brother, and he was deeply upset. He talked to me like I was a Cub Scout, and he was a pack master, you know what I mean?

I said, well, my mother and father raised me right. I respect my dear brother, but I don't like to be demeaned and humiliated in that way, and I didn't get a chance to respond to him. And I hope maybe at some time we can. But it was very, it was a very ugly kind of moment, it seems to me, and that disturbs me because then it raises the question for me: Does he have a double standard for black critics as opposed to white critics?

Frank Rich, Paul Krugman, Maureen Dowd, a whole host of brilliant, courageous critics say all kinds of things, and he treats them with respect. They get invited to the White House. I say the same thing, he talks to me like I'm a Cub Scout.

I dont like that. It raises the question, too, is, you know, how many black folk need to be sacrificed for his campaign and his governance...

==============

President Obama welcomed and gave access to several Black intellectuals and leaders, so Dr. West was forced to drop the "he sacrifices/drops Blacks who criticize him" angle.

Remember Obama was inaugurated in Jan 2009, this article is from a year and a half later.


I love and respect Dr. West, but he openly mentioned the snub multiple times, and that was the main reason he went in on Obama.
 
Last edited:

CBSkyline

Chill
Joined
Jul 3, 2012
Messages
7,698
Reputation
1,515
Daps
25,945
The list of "accomplishments" thing has always rung hollow. Literally every president, yes even republicans, can point to some half ass shyt they did, and spin it as beneficial. You have somebody like Trump doing that same thing now with criminal justice reforms and "opportunity zones."

The fact remains that Black life in this country has been stagnant at best since the early 70s, and on a steady decline at worst. The question that should be asked, is what a future adminstration is going to do to fix that, because the numbers show every single one has failed on that front in the past 50 years :francis:
 

TEH

Veteran
Joined
Jul 24, 2015
Messages
46,529
Reputation
12,639
Daps
189,774
Reppin
....
Cornell West got froze out of the black community because he went out of his way to disparage the first black president because of some perceived slight over not getting free tickets to Obamas inauguration.

A lot of ppl turned on him and Tavis Smiley, two self important niccas that actually chartered a bus and went on a nationwide tour to talk trash about Obama, while coincidentally both these niccas been eerily quiet when it comes to Trump.
And now a lot of us realize that he was right.
 

Easy-E

TSC's Ric Flair | Heel
Supporter
Joined
Jun 8, 2012
Messages
53,544
Reputation
9,446
Daps
159,545
Reppin
Negativity (Kayfabe)
No, they are better. Objectively.

Who would pick a better Supreme Court justice? Biden or Trump? Who would be more likely to do something about climate change? Would would do more about student loans? Who would handle coronavirus better?


The false equivalence has to stop. I have my issues with both Biden and Harris but they're NOT the same as Trump.
I

I'll admit it may just be an argument of semantics.

But, it not a false equivalent when the last time we had a nation wide economic collapse it looked pretty similar to what the Republican response was (feed the rich, make the people wait).

No, I do not think the coronavirus would have been handled by ANYONE as bad as Trump has. But, y'all seem to follow politcs based on what CNN tells y'all.

Bow all of the sudden "Democrats care."

Again you bring up global warming and student loans like rent ain't due in two weeks. Nancy Pelosi told us to "pray" as she goes back home to her 100's of millions...but, they aren't as bad as Republicans.

:dahell:

We can talk about the differences in the margins and we could get caught up in the same semantics of "same."

But for all their actually differences the average person is stuck in the same spot.
 
Top