Don't you feel its just beyond obvious that an Intelligent Designer created all this?

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Why can't the big bang theory, and the theory of intelligent design coexist? The creator could be whatever started the big bang. If there is one thing we know it's that something can't come from nothing so, who/what started the big bang?

If the universe is eternally random, who are we really? How many times has this earth been here? How many times have you existed?
 

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Why can't the big bang theory, and the theory of intelligent design coexist? The creator could be whatever started the big bang. If there is one thing we know it's that something can't come from nothing so who/what started the big bang?

If the universe is eternally random, who are we really? How many times has this earth been here? How many times have you existed?

They can coexist... it's just there is no evidence to justify the existence of some intelligent creator. And we know the process could have happened completely naturally. Until there is objective evidence that a supernatural entity exists (or existed at some point) then there is no reason to accept ID.

We don't know that something can't come from nothing. It's just that almost everything we know of has a cause. This is not necessarily the case for our universe OR say... sub-atomic particles. Look up some Lawrence Krauss for more info about that.

Look, if we knew of other universes, and we knew they were intelligently designed, then you could make a case that our universe was also designed. But we don't. This is why the watchmaker argument fails.
 

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Why can't the big bang theory, and the theory of intelligent design coexist? The creator could be whatever started the big bang.

it's just not an answer. it begs the question who/what created the creator. and then it's turtles all the way down...
 

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They can coexist... it's just there is no evidence to justify the existence of some intelligent creator. And we know the process could have happened completely naturally. Until there is objective evidence that a supernatural entity exists (or existed at some point) then there is no reason to accept ID.

We don't know that something can't come from nothing. It's just that almost everything we know of has a cause. This is not necessarily the case for our universe OR say... sub-atomic particles. Look up some Lawrence Krauss for more info about that.

Look, if we knew of other universes, and we knew they were intelligently designed, then you could make a case that our universe was also designed. But we don't. This is why the watchmaker argument fails.

We have just as much evidence for a creator as we have for matter spontaneously existing=none
 

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We have just as much evidence for a creator as we have for matter spontaneously existing=none
matter spontaneously existing has nothing to do with science or the big bang theory. That is just one aspect of the big bang theory that is unexplained. I mean really, I don't know how the fukk we're ever going to explain where the "original" matter came from, but saying some being put it there is not an explanation.
 

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:ohhh: What if we were a bug/glitch and the creator fuqed up? Happens all the time when we write software...that big bang theory might not be so off. They hit that compile button and *swooomp*
 

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it's just not an answer. it begs the question who/what created the creator. and then it's turtles all the way down...

people always say this but thats nonsense.

you cant ask "who created the creator" until you acknowledge there is one. after that point you have to ask so many different questions about our creation, how, and why. how and why the universe. THEN after all those questions are answered you can ask "SO boss man, where did you come from? who created you?"
but first things first.
 

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They can coexist... it's just there is no evidence to justify the existence of some intelligent creator. And we know the process could have happened completely naturally. Until there is objective evidence that a supernatural entity exists (or existed at some point) then there is no reason to accept ID.

We don't know that something can't come from nothing. It's just that almost everything we know of has a cause. This is not necessarily the case for our universe OR say... sub-atomic particles. Look up some Lawrence Krauss for more info about that.

Look, if we knew of other universes, and we knew they were intelligently designed, then you could make a case that our universe was also designed. But we don't. This is why the watchmaker argument fails.
that doesnt make the watchmaker argument fail.

the reason the watchmaker argument is always there. is because its all we've ever known. designers design things. they dont just appear out of thin air. never has. things are created. they arent just THERE. and if by chance that is the case with something. how on earth would we know it? we wouldnt.
 
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