Don't you feel its just beyond obvious that an Intelligent Designer created all this?

[John Hull]

You ever see the shadow dude try to choke you out when you be half sleep then wake up on some ole

I know that never happens to the smart peeps on here.

 

[OsO]

no. gravity is enough to create patterns out of "randomness"

anyways, when looking from the definitions:


cha·os/ˈkāäs/
Noun:
Complete disorder and confusion.
Behavior so unpredictable as to appear random, owing to great sensitivity to small changes in conditions.


or·der/ˈôrdər/
Noun:
The arrangement or disposition of people or things in relation to each other according to a particular sequence, pattern, or method.


ran·dom/ˈrandəm/
Adjective:
Made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision: "a random sample of 100 households".
Governed by or involving equal chances for each item.


its pretty obvious which word best describes our universe. there are structured patterns and complex systems of organization from our smallest atomic particles to our largest celestial bodies. from the atom to the sun you have spheres rotating in an oval orbit creating electromagnetic energy. it's actually the same design, just on different scales, hence the axiom as above, so below.

if the atoms didnt organize themselves into some kind of system, nothing would ever manifest. the only reason you arent walking through walls, and the only reason every object in physical manifestation REMAINS in physical manifestation is because of the harmonious relationship created by those atoms-who all collectively resonate to the same frequency in a specific pattern of interlocking bonds to create a consistent vibration that will create a field that will mimic solid matter.

really think about that for a second.

again, im not necessarily arguing for one perspective over another, but i think those in the "random and chaotic" camp need to show a little more love to the design of the universe, and acknowledge its significance.

so if yall wanna discuss this from a different angle, or using different terminology, then thats cool. but using these definitions you cant logically say the universe is mostly random or chaotic. the guy from the video and most people in this thread are saying random and chaotic=no signs of physical life, which are not fair parameters. i dont think its objective.

because if anything the universe is full of order and it us-HUMANS, who are unpredictable and chaotic. WE do random shyt according to our free will. but the universe is running like clockwork

 

[the cac mamba]

did you make that all up yourself?

no, i gathered it from what ive heard religious people say over the years. any idiot could tell u that i didnt make any of it up myself

 

[Darts]

anyways, when looking from the definitions:


cha·os/ˈkāäs/
Noun:
Complete disorder and confusion.
Behavior so unpredictable as to appear random, owing to great sensitivity to small changes in conditions.


or·der/ˈôrdər/
Noun:
The arrangement or disposition of people or things in relation to each other according to a particular sequence, pattern, or method.


ran·dom/ˈrandəm/
Adjective:
Made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision: "a random sample of 100 households".
Governed by or involving equal chances for each item.


its pretty obvious which word best describes our universe. there are structured patterns and complex systems of organization from our smallest atomic particles to our largest celestial bodies. from the atom to the sun you have spheres rotating in an oval orbit creating electromagnetic energy. it's actually the same design, just on different scales, hence the axiom as above, so below.

if the atoms didnt organize themselves into some kind of system, nothing would ever manifest. the only reason you arent walking through walls, and the only reason every object in physical manifestation REMAINS in physical manifestation is because of the harmonious relationship created by those atoms-who all collectively resonate to the same frequency in a specific pattern of interlocking bonds to create a consistent vibration that will create a field that will mimic solid matter.

really think about that for a second.

again, im not necessarily arguing for one perspective over another, but i think those in the "random and chaotic" camp need to show a little more love to the design of the universe, and acknowledge its significance.

so if yall wanna discuss this from a different angle, or using different terminology, then thats cool. but using these definitions you cant logically say the universe is mostly random or chaotic. the guy from the video and most people in this thread are saying random and chaotic=no signs of physical life, which are not fair parameters. i dont think its objective.

because if anything the universe is full of order and it us-HUMANS, who are unpredictable and chaotic. WE do random shyt according to our free will. but the universe is running like clockwork

Wish I could give u more rep, you've been articulating what i've been thinking. Its amazing that some people choose to ignore that level of intricate, sequential order of our universe.

 

[Turenne]

People with no Astronomy knowledge whatsoever calling the big bang asinine

Dude, the Big Bang is some 'supernatural shyt'. It makes a lot more sense to say a supernatural entity in the clouds created the universe!










Its just too much irony for my little head to take...

 

[Turenne]

Wish I could give u more rep, you've been articulating what i've been thinking. Its amazing that some people choose to ignore that level of intricate, sequential order of our universe.

And yet again you (a) ignore the question of who created the 'watchmaker' of your little universe and (b) ignore the question of a perfect entity creating a deeply flawed and misshapen universe....

But hey, keep believing in the concept of ID, which has been dismissed by nearly every scientist in our lifetime.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Dude, the Big Bang is some 'supernatural shyt'. It makes a lot more sense to say a supernatural entity in the clouds created the universe!










Its just too much irony for my little head to take...

Thats what I don't understand... like how does some supernatural being or thing creating the universe make more sense? Let alone the immense amount of proof that our universe was at one time extremely small, hot, and dense. And then as you mentioned, you have the "who created the creator" problem, can they really be so dumb that the thought never even crossed their mind?

 

[Darts]

And yet again you (a) ignore the question of who created the 'watchmaker' of your little universe and (b) ignore the question of a perfect entity creating a deeply flawed and misshapen universe....

But hey, keep believing in the concept of ID, which has been dismissed by nearly every scientist in our lifetime.

I don't have the answers, neither do the scientists that are vastly smarter than me...but I choose to use common sense to state the obvious, that random accidents should not be able to create sequential order.

 

[Turenne]

I don't have the answers, neither do the scientists that are vastly smarter than me...but I choose to use common sense to state the obvious, that random accidents should not be able to create sequential order.

...if you can't answer those two questions then you can't state the universe was created in a 'intricate' and 'designed' manner, as you did in the OP...

Someone had to 'design' the 'designer', which means someone had to 'design' the 'designer's designer', which means that someone had to 'design' the 'designer's designer's designer', which means...

If there is a designer who created the universe, he must be some kind of infallible ephemeral matter - as all religions believe - then why create the world in such a flawed confused manner? Why create human beings to be so easily broken and damaged? Why create disease and illness and apply them to random humans? Why give humans innate obsessions with power and materialism that lead to war, massacre and suffering on huge scales? Why 'spread his word' through human beings and have them 'worship' him constantly so they can be rewarded with the perfection that they were not given in the first place? Why would a perfect being need his peons to worship him once a week anyway? Does the dude have self-confidence issues or something? And how do you justify free will and personal responsibility for you and I in a pre-determined universe with a beginning, middle and ending? How can al-Qaeda be blamed for 9/11 or the Nazi's for the holocaust in a world already 'designed' by your infallible entity...?

I could do this all day...because the idea of intelligent design is

 

[daze23]

anyways....

man, you got something to say about what I said? are you saying gravity doesn't create patterns our of "randomness"? you saying gravity didn't create this?

 

[Mowgli]

You can never fathom a beginning with no beginning. Give up.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

You can never fathom a beginning with no beginning. Give up.

wtf does that even mean, you sound like one of those twitter philosophers

 

[NoMayo15]

This is my question to those that think there is too much complexity in the universe for it not to be designed by some designer:

When you look up at the clouds, and you notice one resembles a duck or a car or whatever... do you conclude that a being must have designed that cloud? Why else would it look like a dinosaur, right? Or is it because our brains automatically look for patterns?

See, I agree that the universe seems ordered, but you cannot make a conclusion about the cause of said order, especially when it runs contradictory to the evidence we have. Darts, you already admitted you, and scientists don't know, so why jump to a conclusion as if you do know?

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

This is my question to those that think there is too much complexity in the universe for it not to be designed by some designer:

When you look up at the clouds, and you notice one resembles a duck or a car or whatever... do you conclude that a being must have designed that cloud? Why else would it look like a dinosaur, right? Or is it because our brains automatically look for patterns?

See, I agree that the universe seems ordered, but you cannot make a conclusion about the cause of said order, especially when it runs contradictory to the evidence we have. Darts, you already admitted you, and scientists don't know, so why jump to a conclusion as if you do know?

this is very important. The human brain is hardwired to look for patterns/order out of chaos, it helps in survival, but it also can be deceiving.

 

[daze23]

this is very important. The human brain is hardwired to look for patterns/order out of chaos, it helps in survival, but it also can be deceiving.

yep. it's like when you see a word from far away, think it says one thing, but then when you look closer it says something else. or when you think you see someone you know, but then realize it's not them. it's like when you're playing DayZ and think you see a crashed heli in the distance, but then get closer and it's just some rocks. often your brain see's what it wants to see

but everyone knows the clouds are held up by invisible pillars