Dominicans Lynching Haitians in 2015

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Its in the US constitution you idiot...and its in the DR constitution to deny citizenship to those that don't have Dominican soil born parents :yeshrug:



The U.S. has its laws on citizenship....just like the Dominican Republic has theirs...we are a sovereign country and we can do whatever we want :ehh:


and you calling me a bytch and a neg...into your feelings much :leostare::skip:
It's not possible in the US constitution to apply laws RETROACTIVELY. You can deny citizenship to future haitian babies all you want, but not to those who already acquired it under a law that was in force when they were born. It's not about sovereignty, but about understanding the concept of rule of law. So every haitian born in the DR before 2009 when the constitution was changed is dominican, because that was the law at that time.

Rule of law relies on predictability. When a car dealer raises his prices, he can't take away the car you bought before he did because you paid less than what it costs now.
 

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You got a point but I want to point out that the US voted in a black president a while ago. Not only that, his father was Kenyan. To this day, there are Americans (white liberals) who would curse you the fukk out if you say one bad word about this man..

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yea but we talking about a 3rd world country doing this back in 1994. a country ya in here saying needs to be nuked for its racism.
 

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I think its the most retarded question to ask someone that obviously has features from the motherland

@trilldealbaby gave an excellent post about "black" ...see her post up thread.


I don't want to hear @trilldealbaby opinion, because I wasn't asking him/her. Its a simple question. Yes or no. Do you consider yourself black or not? Because most people on the Coli think "black looking" Dominicans are denial about their "blackness." Note how I'm emphasizing on "blackness".
 

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yea but we talking about a 3rd world country doing this back in 1994. a country ya in here saying needs to be nuked for its racism.

I didn't say the DR needs to be nuked, let's make that clear.

And just because DR voted in a black president earlier doesn't make it any less racist than the US.
 

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really cant compare the US migration policy to the dominican one. one is a world power and the other is a 3rd world country still trying to come up. in the US even the homeless can find 3 meals a day and somewhere to lay there head. stop it.
That's a cop out. Plus i didn't comparisons it, she did when she negged me. I just told her that contrary to what she claimes, the US is not applying laws retroactively.
 

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Please don't speak on stuff you don't know about with your small mind. Where do you get this idea that the "majority of Africa" is one skin color? Nonsense. According to your logic the Khoi people of Southern Africa which is in Sub Sahara Africa are not real Africans, because they're light skin. When in fact they carry the oldest lineages on the continent. Africa is the most diverse continent via genetics and phenotypes; especially the "Sub Sahara" region that you speak of. One tiny village in Africa has more genetic diversity than an entire city in the United States. LOL with African when "majority dark skin" when we have this:
Human skin color diversity is highest in sub-Saharan African populations.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11126724

Ha!

But this thread is not about the diversity of Africa, but Dominicans/Haitians.
Of course there are some fair skin minority tribes in Africa. Im not disputing that. what Im saying is 95 percent of tge people are darksin.

Is that more clear?fukk boy.
 

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1st I think he was talking about Black American culture which obviously has assimilated into American Culture. Black Culture is many things as thread shows. As for you point, you are 100% correct, most people do view themselves culturally but a Frechmen and German still know their skin is of a lighter shade, that can't be denied. The fact is there is Black in all types of cultures, we are a very diverse race so no we definitely aren't the same and I wasn't even implying that. But in America where a racial lense is used for many facist of this countries systems. You are viewed more for our color than culture. Not saying I agree, I'm just glad I got to travel overseas and see other cultures and communites cause America is a melting pot but there is still a dominate society that tries to make you feel that having Dark Skin is wrong. Some of that mindstate has been in issue with this DR Drama. The Haitians are viewed as lower citizen in some cases cause of their darker skin. Again color-lense. So it's really not just America even though it does happen here the most I feel.

Great point. Yeah they're aware of their skin colour, but the main difference is that European countries are not as insulated as the US. Identity is defined in opposition with something else: for a Frenchman, that "something else" has been, for example, Italians, Germans, Brits, etc...for centuries. Those differences (and they can be very significant) supersede the fact that they are all white. That's why I laugh when people say "White people/Euros are the same everywhere". Only recently is color of skin a big topic in continental Europe (people hardly cared/knew what was going on with slavery and colonization, and massive permanent immigration only started after WW2). If you, as a Black American, tell a Frenchman he's "White", the Frenchman is gonna think "Hmm, this Black American thinks I'm White like a White American". And he might say "Hmm, I guess, but really I'm French!" to differentiate himself from Americans, as he differientiates himself from Germans or Russians. In the US it's different, the country is so big, young and insulated (only two land-borders, one of which is with an ethnically similar country) that identity has been defined in opposition to "something else" from within : since we're all Americans, I'm gonna add that I'm "White" and he's "Black" American. In France for example it's only very recently that people use "Noir", they'd rather use things like "originaly from" or "immigrated from" to show a difference if there is one. Because first, most non-white Europeans know where we come from (so instead of saying "I'm Black" I will say "I'm from CAR"), and second because racial separation has never been legal in continental Europe, except under the Nazis rule if I'm not mistaken (THIS DOES NOT MEAN THERE WAS NO RACISM, just that it was not legal like it was in South Afria or in the US). It's not better, just different.
 

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:comeon: You're just mad that I called Haiti for what it is; a shythole country. And Haitians escaping to the DR isn't a "win-win" situation if the former are only getting cheap labour jobs.

Yet none of my points were even addressing that part of your posts. Your posted hinted that Haitians were not bothering to fix their country. I stated otherwise and you couldn't come up with a good response.

Haitians in the DR provide cheap labor along with developing country/Haitian's enjoy life in better economy. Me thinks win-win for both parties.
 

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I see your point. Have you lived in the DR? Have you traveled around?

Not being a dikk. But every dominican on this site admits racism is a problem. But to hear people on the coli who aren't dominican and haven't even been there aside from some stay at Punta Cana...I mean I can't really take it serious.
My aunt is dominican and she married my mothers brother who is black.

Their kids tell me all about the racism they see from Dominicans.

I respect you for not being racist but it is what it is.
 

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I didn't say the DR needs to be nuked, let's make that clear.

And just because DR voted in a black president earlier doesn't make it any less racist than the US.

im not saying its any more or less racist, im just saying ya in here generalizing when 20 years ago more than half the country voted in a haitian president who is dark skinned. so maybe not let the bad apples ruin the whole bunch?
 

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im not saying its any more or less racist, im just saying ya in here generalizing when 20 years ago more than half the country voted in a haitian president who is dark skinned. so maybe not let the bad apples ruin the whole bunch?

That's difficult to do when the whole bunch comes from spoiled trees.
 

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Yet none of my points were even addressing that part of your posts. Your posted hinted that Haitians were not bothering to fix their country. I stated otherwise and you couldn't come up with a good response.

Haitians in the DR provide cheap labor along with developing country/Haitian's enjoy life in better economy. Me thinks win-win for both parties.
They're not doing enough to fix their country, why else are these people escaping to the DR for a better life?

It's not a win-win situation. Haitian immigrants only have cheap labour positions to attain b/c there's rampant institutional/social discrimination which prevents them to attain better jobs. It may benefit DR's economy, but that attitude doesn't benefit the Haitians b/c their skills will only be limited to those low status jobs.
 

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I've visited DR twice before. I'm not going back again because both times, I saw the natives being conflicted about how to embrace me (I'm from the US but I'm of Haitian descent). Moreover, I saw with my own eyes how Dominicans treat Haitians in their country. I will not be giving the DR any more of my travel money.

Although the Coli can be harsh on DR (but is it really?), the reputation is warranted, given the extensive history between the Dominicans and Haitians.

And I say this as somebody who speaks Spanish and grew up with and befriended Dominicans. Hell, my line brother is engaged to a (light skinned) Dominican and she concedes that Dominicans are inherently racist against blacks.
Fair enough. The Dominicans have been harsh with the Haitians. I admit that.

All I am saying is that Haiti was harsh with the Dominicans too. But people want to brush that shyt under the rug because it isn't recent.

I'm not saying DR is legitimate in their treatment. I'm saying blood is on both hands.

You can't easily dismiss the evil shyt Haiti did just because it happened before we were born.
 

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on some real shyt tho the coli never talks about the reasons dr even broke off from haitian rule back in the day, they were basically being treated the same way the us colonies were by the uk, high taxes and second class citizen discrimination becuase of the language barriers,all kinds of fukkery... theres alot of pent up tension from that still... not excusing the dominican governments behavior tho but that beef is between them and yall need to see both sides from a historical point of view
 

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That's a cop out. Plus i didn't comparisons it, she did when she negged me. I just told her that contrary to what she claimes, the US is not applying laws retroactively.

its not a cop out its the truth. its bad in DR for dominicans. i come from a poor town out there man ya acting like we have the resources to say fukkit and just take in all of haiti and give them free medical care and other public services. if we were some abu dhabi type of rich country doing this shyt then even i would be in here on some fukk dominicans shyt but we not. we poor too.
 
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