Dominicans Lynching Haitians in 2015

[Rapmastermind]

This is more out of ignorance than arrogance. You have to remember, race was created through the slavery that occurred in America so their concept of race is totally different. When they say they aren't black, they aren't referring to their skin color. They are saying they aren't black American.
Now me on the other hand, if someone asks me what I am, I'm going to say I'm Haitian because I automatically assume you're asking me about my ethnicity b/c it's pretty obvious that I'm black. But if you ask me my race, I'll say African-American.

Good points. I think I was more making a statement from the racial lense of America. Remember we are very "Race-Minded" as a country. So I guess I was saying in the Eyes of the greater society, Yes culturally no you aren't Black American but you are still a Black Person if that make sense. Cause I went to Mexico and I chill with some cool Black Mexicans that spoke fluent Spanish and that was clearly there culture.

So I guess I'm more focused on the dismissive nature of the "I'm not black" because Self-Hate didn't just happen to Black Americans. Remember imperialism happen in Caribbean also and in all those islands like Haiti, DR, PR etc. We all know there are tons of Black Cubans. As for yourself, if you are Haitian and Born here, you can be an Haitian American, you don't have say your African American even though you are cause Haitian obviously is from African Culture also. Me personally I hate labels. I see people as people. But as long as you are in America you have to know the reality. The greater society will view you as Black reguardless of cultures.

 

[Arianne Martell]

We should probably march for the education system for creating a dumb c*nt like you.

your mother taught me well

 

[intruder]

Granted, they're celebrities...but...

Antony Santos
Pedro Martinez
Jhonny Ventura
Juan Marichal
David Ortiz
Romeo Santos

Almost every super popular person in the DR is black.

To say it's a pure color thing is just simplifying the issue. If it was some self hate shyt, those people would be hated. And they're practically legends.

Just proved my point in a way

i dont think anybody denies that there is some colorism and race issues in DR just like anywhere else. our problem is that we get singled out for it and generalized when not every dominican is like that. u wouldnt like people coming in here and starting monthly anti-haitian threads because of the handful of witch doctors and haitians chopping each other up for petty beefs.

I know but thats why you dont see me in these anti-Dominican threads running my mouth talking sh!t. The few times i do i just come in state my facts and bounce.

I believe that's what Michel Martelly is trying to do. Please don't speak on things you know little about.

I don't know why Dominicans would be so angry about Haitians migrating when they provide cheap labor, similar to how Mexicans provide cheap labor here. Its a win-win.

THE TRUTH IS...

Most of migrant workers that work here in the U.S are brought in by american companies to work farms as cheap labor. That is also true about Haitian migrants workers in the Dominican republic. They are brought it legally to work farms in sugar cane plantations.

The problem in both cases is workers end up deciding to stay even after their contracts are over and then its a problem

 

[Bawon Samedi]

If Dominicans living abroad don't like the way they are being treated then they should take their asses back to DR or suck it up




I am dark skin Dominican...I grew up there...and have received nothing but praises for my color...

However, I am not denying that it doesn't happen to others

I wish another Dominican would talk shyt about my skin

I know its none of my business, but as a "Dark Skinned" Dominican do you consider yourself "black" or of African descent? I'm just curious. I'm not forcing you to claim either.

Reason being is that some characters believe that darker complexioned Dominicans are denial of their blackness. I have met some Dominicans not even that black who were not denial of their African ancestry. Heck urban model Rosa Acosta admitted she and other Dominicans are of African ancestry; though she caught a lot of flack.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

THE TRUTH IS...

Most of migrant workers that work here in the U.S are brought in by american companies to work farms as cheap labor. That is also true about Haitian migrants workers in the Dominican republic. They are brought it legally to work farms in sugar cane plantations.

The problem in both cases is workers end up deciding to stay even after their contracts are over and then its a problem

Like I said its a "win-win" for both parties.

 

[Blackout]

This is more out of ignorance than arrogance. You have to remember, race was created through the slavery that occurred in America so their concept of race is totally different. When they say they aren't black, they aren't referring to their skin color. They are saying they aren't black American.
Now me on the other hand, if someone asks me what I am, I'm going to say I'm Haitian because I automatically assume you're asking me about my ethnicity b/c it's pretty obvious that I'm black. But if you ask me my race, I'll say African-American.

So they simply lack the knowledge of the differences between race and ethnicity?

But on the other hand we still have doninicans who distance themsleves from AAs, Haitians and other blacks so its hard for me to believe you.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

When African-Americans talk about Dominicans denying their "blackness" they obviously mean these type of Dominicans:

Just so we have a clear understanding. One can argue the people in both pics resembles "black people".

 

[Bawon Samedi]

But most Africans are dark especially in the sub-sarah region which is where the MAJOITY of the African population is located.

False.

 

[Arianne Martell]

Just proved my point in a way

I know but thats why you dont see me in these anti-Dominican threads running my mouth talking sh!t. The few times i do i just come in state my facts and bounce.

THE TRUTH IS...

Most of migrant workers that work here in the U.S are brought in by american companies to work farms as cheap labor. That is also true about Haitian migrants workers in the Dominican republic. They are brought it legally to work farms in sugar cane plantations.

The problem in both cases is workers end up deciding to stay even after their contracts are over and then its a problem

dude Black celebrities are not the only popular Blacks on the island ...DR has doctors, lawyers, poets painters politicians entrepreneurs all that shyt and they ARE BLACK...we are majority BLACK country

 

[intruder]

Like I said its a "win-win" for both parties.

NO

These are large farm owners and corporations doing this. The ordinary people start to complain just like the people here complain because they feel the migrants are "taking their jobs". This evolves into anti-haitian sentiments that only adds fuel to the already existing anti-haitian propaganda they already have going on

 

[beanz]

If they weren't celebrities in America, they would be considered second-class citizens in DR.

Does the fact that Barack Obama, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Denzel Washington, Samuel L. Jackson, and Will Smith are all black mean that the United States doesn't have a serious race issue?

u got a point but i just wanna point out that DR voted in a black president a long ass time ago but there was voter fraud and corruption to keep him out. not only was he black, but his dad was haitian. til this day there are dominicans(like my pops) who would curse u the fukk out if u say a bad word about this man..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Francisco_Peña_Gómez

By 1994, the PRD was solidified and motivated, and Peña was once again the party's standard-bearer in the presidential election. Even by Dominican standards, the 1994 campaign was violent and dirty. Peña lost to Balaguer in an extremely tight election marred by numerous irregularities. A number of Peña supporters showed up to vote only to discover their names had vanished from the rolls. Peña called a general strike which was widely supported by his followers. After international protest, an investigation was mounted that raised grave concerns about the poll's legitimacy. The electoral board didn't know the total number of registered voters, and the voting lists distributed at polling stations didn't match those given to the parties. The investigation also revealed that about 200,000 people had been removed from the polls. After intense negotiations, Balaguer announced that he would leave office prematurely in 1996 after serving seven terms in power.

 

[How Sway?]

i still cant get over them dominicans dressed like they're in the KKK holy shyt

 

[Rapmastermind]

For the sake of argument, it can be seen as the other way around. Most people in the world identify with their country more than with a "race" or "ethnicity", those are mostly (not exclusively, but mostly) American concepts. No Frenchman or German will identify himself as "White", but, indeed, as French or German. No Senegalese or Central African will identify with "Black", but indeed as Senegalese and Central African. The US has a very unique situation in which a whole Black culture has developped next to a dominant White one, added to the fact that it was a basically an apartheid state until recently. So "Black" as an identity makes sense there, but less in Europe for example. That does not mean that people from Mali living in France don't ackowledge they're Black, but it means that being Malian defines their identity more (because "Black" can also be seen as a category that implicitely means "all Blacks are the same, from Soweto to Compton" And indeed that's how it's use by racists over here).



Who defines who is "culturally" Black? What does that even mean?

1st I think he was talking about Black American culture which obviously has assimilated into American Culture. Black Culture is many things as thread shows. As for you point, you are 100% correct, most people do view themselves culturally but a Frechmen and German still know their skin is of a lighter shade, that can't be denied. The fact is there is Black in all types of cultures, we are a very diverse race so no we definitely aren't the same and I wasn't even implying that. But in America where a racial lense is used for many facist of this countries systems. You are viewed more for our color than culture. Not saying I agree, I'm just glad I got to travel overseas and see other cultures and communities cause America is a melting pot but there is still a dominate society that tries to make you feel that having Dark Skin is wrong.

Some of that mind state has been in issue with this DR Drama. The Haitians are viewed as lower citizen in some cases cause of their darker skin. Again color-lense. So it's really not just America even though it does happen here the most I feel. I think Haitians and Dominicans should come together as cultures. They are on th same island, they could build a strong economic force together but I know there's historical issues and it would be naive for me to act like these tensions happen over night.

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Dominic00ns, fukk em all

 

[HollowPoints2]

False.

Go fukk yourself.

Africa is a MAJORITY dark skin continent especially in the sub sahara region.