Does Lebron have sole claim to his own era?

[Ozymandeas]

Duncan was drafted after Kobe and won more FMVPs and MVPs but the 2000s was Kobe's era?

Shaq was the best player on a team that 3peated and Bron won 4 rings, 4 FMVPS, and 4 MVPs between 2009-2020. Kobe between 2000-2010 won 5 rings but only 1 MVP and 2 FMVPS. It's asinine to say Kobe had an era but all of these other cats that won more FMVPs and MVPs didn't.

I had to reply. You're so full of shyt. Nobody gave a flying fukk about Duncan in the 2000s. We were aware that he was good but, that was it. Nikkas didn't even argue about Finals MVPs that much in those days. You know good and damn well if you're a core Millennial (born between 85 and 92) that we grew up on A.I., Kobe and T-Mac, respected the OGs like Jordan and Magic, and then loved the new school players like Bron, Wade and Melo who came in as we got older. You know this nikka. You know nobody back then wasnt putting no fukkin Tim Duncan over Kobe.

Either you were not old enough to experience life in the 2000s so you lack the context or you are a massive, massive hater.
Get that hate out your spirit

 

[Joe Sixpack]

 

[Don Homer]

His claim to his own era is running to good situations? Yeah, i'd agree

 

[Joe Sixpack]

His claim to his own era is running to good situations? Yeah, i'd agree

Running to good situations?

He creates that situation and is always the best player on these teams

Not dikk riding and being a lost dumb ass like KD

Nah he creates that situation and thrives

4 NBA Finals MVPs.

KD tries to do it and it only worked in GS because Steph is extremely special.

Draymond, Klay, Kerr are all special people

Every other time he tries it it blows up in his face

 

[Don Homer]

Running to good situations?

He creates that situation and is always the best player on these teams

Not dikk riding and being a lost dumb ass like KD

Nah he creates that situation and thrives

4 NBA Finals MVPs.

KD tries to do it and it only worked in GS because Steph is extremely special.

Draymond, Klay, Kerr are all special people

Every other time he tries it it blows up in his face

Well yeah, he runs to good situations. He's arguably the best player, and in his prime, and brings all stars to go to new places with him

i think that's his lane to an "era". "the era of brining in/joining established stars/superstars to play with him"

ofc the only person to do that is KD, so it's not really a crowded field

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Well yeah, he runs to good situations. He's arguably the best player, and in his prime, and brings all stars to go to new places with him

i think that's his lane to an "era". "the era of brining in/joining established stars/superstars to play with him"

ofc the only person to do that is KD, so it's not really a crowded field

I can’t even really comment on this “era” shyt which is what the thread is about

LeBron has 4 titles

Steph has 4 titles

Giannis and Joker have 1

People keep acting like the Jordan era was the norm when that shyt was an anomaly other than Bill Russell and the Celtics

It was a combination of Jordan’s greatness and Magic, Bird and Isiah getting old.

Plus their was no real free agency and salaries weren’t what they were now

It’s hard to just compare eras because it ends up being disingenous

 

[Red Money]

Pippen averaged 21 points, 9 rebounds and 7 assists in the finals during the first 3peat.

Kobe averaged 22 points, 6 rebounds and 5 assists in the finals during his 3peat.

The 2001 playoffs are the only year where Kobe's numbers were comparable to Shaq. In the 2000 playoffs, Shaq averaged 10 more PPG. How is that a 1A situation?

Tell me....what game did Jalen Rose purposely stepped under Kobe and caused him to have a bad ankle sprain for the duration of the finals!?!?

People act like Kobe was not injured in the 2000s finals

 

[fifth column]

After drafting MJ, in the next five years the Bulls proceeded to draft Horace Grant, B.J. Armstrong, Stacey King, Will Purdue, and Toni Kukoc, while also pulling off a draft-day trade that sent #8 pick Olden Polynice to the Sonics for #5 pick Scottie Pippen. That's 3 all-stars and a 6th Man of the Year they surrounded MJ with, including two Hall of Famers. The Bulls had 6 picks in the top-11 between 1985 and 1989, plus two others in the top-20, and they used them well.


After drafting LBJ, in the next six years the Cavs first-round picks were Luke Jackson, Shannon Brown, JJ Hickson, and Christian Eyenga. Only one top-11 pick (Jackson at #10), only one other pick in the top-20 (Hickson at #19). None of them became useful rotation players for the Cavs, Shannon Brown was the only decent pick and he was too young and raw at the time, spent years in the G-League bouncing around to Chicago and Charlotte and LA and then finally becoming a rotation player in his fourth season.



That's the difference. Bulls picked at #6, #8, #10, #11, #18, and #20, and used them well. Cavs picked at #10 and #19 and didn't do shyt with them.

You are playing the result with this argument. None of those Bulls players joined MJ as all stars, they eventually developed into good/decent complimentary players. Although Pippen and Grant had potential, they were raw af those first couple years with the Bulls, they couldn’t even hit simple free throws consistently. The Cavs were getting better with each year in the 2000s and would have most likely broken through but Lebron ran from the grind to create an anti-competitive environment thinly disguised as player empowerment.

 

[fifth column]

I can’t even really comment on this “era” shyt which is what the thread is about

LeBron has 4 titles

Steph has 4 titles

Giannis and Joker have 1

People keep acting like the Jordan era was the norm when that shyt was an anomaly other than Bill Russell and the Celtics

It was a combination of Jordan’s greatness and Magic, Bird and Isiah getting old.

Plus their was no real free agency and salaries weren’t what they were now

It’s hard to just compare eras because it ends up being disingenous

Isiah didnt get old though

 

[10bandz]

"Jordan didn't have his own era cause the Bulls drafted superstars like Kukoc and Stacey King". "Bron has been the best player since 2009 (The year Dwight Howard ran him out one of the weakest ever Eastern conferences) and STLL has a case right now, this era is all his!! "

Some of the literal worst takes ever in the history of human endeavor and global sport. SAS and Skip of all people would laugh at the stupidity. Find ANYTHING else to talk about. Go study how long it takes acrylic paint to dry and make TLR threads about that instead. ANYTHING but these deluded Bron takes, I'm BEGGING you goofy dumbasses to not embarrass humankind any further keeping this idiocy up nonstop.

 

[In The Zone '98]

His claim to his own era is running to good situations? Yeah, i'd agree

Is about winning or being fair?

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Isiah didnt get old though

In today’s standards no but back then playing past 34 35 was not the norm

Ya’ll nikkas keep using today’s standards to compare past eras to formulate your disingenuous arguments

 

[Po pimp]

After drafting MJ, in the next five years the Bulls proceeded to draft Horace Grant, B.J. Armstrong, Stacey King, Will Purdue, and Toni Kukoc, while also pulling off a draft-day trade that sent #8 pick Olden Polynice to the Sonics for #5 pick Scottie Pippen. That's 3 all-stars and a 6th Man of the Year they surrounded MJ with, including two Hall of Famers. The Bulls had 6 picks in the top-11 between 1985 and 1989, plus two others in the top-20, and they used them well.


After drafting LBJ, in the next six years the Cavs first-round picks were Luke Jackson, Shannon Brown, JJ Hickson, and Christian Eyenga. Only one top-11 pick (Jackson at #10), only one other pick in the top-20 (Hickson at #19). None of them became useful rotation players for the Cavs, Shannon Brown was the only decent pick and he was too young and raw at the time, spent years in the G-League bouncing around to Chicago and Charlotte and LA and then finally becoming a rotation player in his fourth season.



That's the difference. Bulls picked at #6, #8, #10, #11, #18, and #20, and used them well. Cavs picked at #10 and #19 and didn't do shyt with them.

What?! Pippen was the only all star Jordan ever played with in his entire career.

As far as those picks, look at who the Bulls passed up on in some of those drafts. They had a chance to be even better. The Bulls were literally wasting draft picks during their championship years on players who would be out of the league in a couple of seasons.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

You are playing the result with this argument. None of those Bulls players joined MJ as all stars, they eventually developed into good/decent complimentary players. Although Pippen and Grant had potential, they were raw af those first couple years with the Bulls, they couldn’t even hit simple free throws consistently. The Cavs were getting better with each year in the 2000s and would have most likely broken through but Lebron ran from the grind to create an anti-competitive environment thinly disguised as player empowerment.

Compare a supporting cast led by pippen and Horace grant to Mo Williams and Illgauskas and expect to be taken seriously in a basketball discussion.

Also, completely eliminate Phil Jackson and his revolutionary triangle offense as a factor even tho Jordan couldn’t so much as make an NBA Finals without it.

Does Kobe refusing to be drafted by the bum New Jersey Nets, so he can play for one of the most successful and glamorous organizations in all of sports constitute “running from the grind”?

Guess Bron should have been a “competitor”, and refused to be drafted by the sorry ass Cavs and demand to only play for the Spurs or whatnot.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

An era of losing?

Ain’t that what Camelo, Chris Paul, Paul George, Dame, Luka, Westbrook, Harden been doing?

And that’s just to name a few from a LONNNNNG list