Does Kendrick have more classics than Nas?

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I think if Kenny want to fill those Air Force Deltas...he need to drop a double album:yeshrug:. If it exceeds Streets Disciple then the GOAT title will go to Kenny....if it's below SD...then dude is a good rapper with a creative mind:ehh:.
 

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No...Giving props on that and executing said concept on a level nobody can compare to right now. Nas never executed that as well as Kendrick has TWICE. And most of yall favorite rappers has never attempted to. nikkas are satisfied with the microwave music lazy efforts nikkas like future drop with a "album" full of singles with a handful of good songs. Kendricks approach is way more ambitious and pushes the artform further. I don't know how much it should count for but it should count for something

Somebody in this thread said if you remove like 5 songs from Stillmatic it would be a classic. That don't sound like a classic album to me. you can't remove any songs from GKMC or TPAB without changing the entire experience.
Like I said I like Kendrick and like all his albums. I appreciate somebody pushing the genre further in a time when people are copying each other more and more. I just don't think he has any classics imo.
 

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has nas carried out a consistent and coherent narrative throughout an entire album like GKMC?

umm..

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That's a clever deflection but storytelling has always been a part of rap and doing it over the course of an album instead of on a single song isn't cinematography.



GKMC told a story of that night over the course of the album. The songs were thematically relevant to where the story was and the skits helped progressed the story. The "heavy lifting" shyt is hater talk, if the story didn't advance through skits the alternative would be an entire album of storytelling tracks which would have dulled the albums diverse content.


Diverse content is another thing Kendrick has over Nas definitely

Of course storytelling has always been a part of rap but rap is music at the end of the day. Melody. If anything, the feel of the song (emotion in delivery and soundscape of beats) are the ones that do the heavy storytelling. And its more of a vibe, not a specific plot.

If I must have a coherent storyline and that's the most important thing I'll read a book or watch a movie. That's my point.

You're shoehorning a quality that has little to do with music to prop up Kendrick. And I said before: this so-called storytelling in GKMC is scattered and not compelling. If you were to summarize the story of GKMC you couldn't even portray it in a way that's interesting and compelling.
 

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Were people as hyped on Nas when he came out? I'm not gonna speak on classics, but I'm wondering if Nas had the commercial success Kendrick does? I was young and on the West Coast :pachaha:

Only New York they was dying for a saviour, West Coast was bashing they fukkin heads in something Ridiculous for 5 straight years, West Coast had hip hop in the choke with NWA, Ice Cube, Too Short, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dog, MC Hammer, Compton Most Wanted everything came out the Left was going platinum, we had the radio and video on locked
 

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Not as far fetched as people think. For all the Nas GOAT talk he does not really have the catalog to back him up. Kendrick on the other hand is in an era where anything even remotely good is slappes with the classic label therefore bringing down his truly great works (TPAB). I would still go for Nas over Kendrixx.
Well... Nas really only has 1 miss and that's Nastradamaus (SP) and even that album has some classic songs on it
 

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It's 2017 and Stillmatic aint classic to me :hubie: Has a few classic songs , hella duds tho

GKMC is kendricks illmatic
TPAB and was his IWW
Damn was his Stillmatic

Metacritic scores for k.dot : Damn 99

Tpab: 96
GKMC: 91
Sec. 80: 86

Nas:
Illmatic:90Stillmatic: 69 :laff: Classic album amirte
It was written not even on there lol



Stillmatic was a huge record though
Keep in mind when you're looking at that 69 metacritic, its only has 12 reviews
Stillmatic by Nas
The only mediocre reviews it has are from non rap, white publications like Blender, Allmusic and Rolling Stone (Who gave Untitled and Hip Hop is Dead a 4/4 rating later...so make of that what you will)

It doesnt include the influential Hip Hop publications that still were the authority during that era
The album got 5 mics in the source which made Nas the only solo rapper to get 5 mics more than once, which had them scrambling to re-mic albums and not piss people off in January 2002
How metacritic choses to ignore the reviews of established black Hip Hop publications like the Source, Rap Pages and XXL kinda of lends flaw to Stillmatic's placement on that list.

The fact that they can't even compile reviews for It Was Written and that they dont have rankings for A LOT of important Hip Hop albums from the 80s to the early 00s shows that they ignore a lot of black music publications that laid the foundation. Classic albums only end up on metacritic if they are reissued and someone bothers to review them again.

But even
if you're someone who lends credence to metacritic then if you look at God's Son, Lost Tapes, Streets Disciple, Life is Good and Hip Hop is Dead, you'll see they have metacritcs of 80, 81, 80, 80 and 79 respectively. Why is that a big deal?

Ten Years of Metacritic: The Best Music of the Decade

Well that's basically saying those albums hover around the same ranking as Kanye's 2000s catalogue metacritic (Which averages just 81%) and if you look at the metacritic of the 2000s, Nas ranks above Jay-Z, Eminem and Ghostface and really his ranking is only below 80 that decade cause of Stillmatic's flawed aggregate and the polarizing Untitled (Which got 4.5 mics in the source but a poor review in Pitchfork, which a lot can be said of)

We also know that albums like Lost Tapes and Life is Good have been the classic XXL review, an authoratative Hip Hop publication (which Common and Clipse will tell you counts for something for your perception in the culture as Be and Hell Hath No Fury were helped a lot by those reviews before their release) and God Son was one of if not the album of the year of 2002 (Making it as far as Time Magazine's 10 best albums of the year in all of music)

Now granted that doesnt change Kendrick getting a 96 on his last 2 albums but that also tell us he's bigger than Kanye, Jay, Nas, Cube etc
Does it really feel like that already?:ld:

Problem with that is its almost the Rotten Tomatoes argument of how these aggregate sites now give extreme ratings to good and bad films in recent years because of how they score up reviews that dont give stars.

Either way, pro or anti metacritic, kinda shows Nas catalogue is pretty strong and has multiple classics. :yeshrug:
 
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Lost tapes is Nas's 3rd best project.

I don't know about those last 2 u mentioned being classics but good 8.5/10 albums
He merged Hiphop and Reggae to great effect and Damian Killed it sure it wasn't a solo effort but it was a classic.

Life is good shows growth and maturity as a man and an artist with fantastic songs summer on smash being the only 6-7/10 song
 
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