Do y'all take this as Cam and Mase disrespecting Big L or being truthful?

[spliz]

I thought it was bullshyt. Mase has one more album than Big L does lol.

No he doesn’t. He has 2 more. Plus way more material in between, and just a far bigger impact.

 

[reserved_one]

I’ll give Big L his props of being a dope rapper and one of the early pioneers of punchlines but that’s where it stops unfortunately. He did show some range with songs like Street Struck, Casualties Of A Dice Game, and How Will Make It but he ain’t have enough time to evolve.

I ain’t discover him until years after his death once I had access to the internet though so I’ll take Cam’s & Mase’s evaluation of his legacy over most.

 

[Crumple]

Folks cry about people being “politically correct” and not genuine…. But when folks give an honest take on some real shyt. No disrespect…. It’s still a problem.

Ya but what's up with Camron lately? He's talking about his ass getting ate now.

He can do what he wants but I'm not with that.

 

[dappadonna]

Didn't watch the clip but please, let's cut it out .

Big L

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Cam'ron or
Mase

 

[NormanConnors]

They aren’t wrong really.. he’s not overrated skill wise but overrated in the sense that he never dropped a great album.

It’s possible he would have blown up eventually if he stayed alive but who knows.

He was talented and also had charisma so the components were there

On his second album while not perfect he showed growth in terms of being more versatile and most importantly he seemed like he was becoming a better songwriter then he was on his first joint.

But there are plenty of dope MC’s who never blew up nor were able to translate their skills to making a great album

That would depend on numerous things for L like timing, beats he would pick, wheter or not he could make a hit etc

Who knows. It’s a huge what if in hiphop history

Ehh Finesse and L pioneered an entire style of rap, ahead of their time type shyt. Nothing elevated after death about L at all, he deserves those accolades and is indeed a legend.

 

[FreshAIG]

When did Mike boogie turn into Juelz Santana?

lol no that was his 5 but then when they bought up Juelz, Mase got kinda stuck and said Juelz gotta be in his stop 5 somewhere. I see the way I put it is confusing.

 

[Yehuda]

L shyt production wise was dated by the time it came out

When y'all say the production was dated, can you give some examples of what the album should've sounded like for the time it dropped? I mean some beats that sounded fresh for 1995.

I keep reading this but I just don't see how the production is any more obsolete than some of the stuff that dropped that same year... hell, the vibe reminds me of Dah Shinin' and I've never seen people call that Beatminerz production dated.

 

[Frump]

Ehh Finesse and L pioneered an entire style of rap, ahead of their time type shyt. Nothing elevated after death about L at all, he deserves those accolades and is indeed a legend.

I’m just talking in terms of catalog

Obviously dude was extremely talented

 

[Razzay]

I would put Black Rob in the top 5, after Mase and Cam.

 

[FreshAIG]

Lux the best rapper ever from Harlem

 

[Crumple]

Didn't watch the clip but please, let's cut it out .

Big L

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Cam'ron or
Mase

I agree. I like Cam, but had to grow to like and appreciate him.

I never took to Made.

I grew up on Krs, Redman, Wu, Onyx.

Big L was a complete stand out. Rugged as hell - but had heart beneath it all.

Study his earlier demos. You can tell he studied the greats. His early work sounds like '88 hip hop. He innovated and grew.

On a side note - I heard great things about Cam and Mase's podcast - also that Can stated he quit rap. But I don't think that's a good look. Mase quit years ago.

Why not stick to the one thing you Excell at for life? Like Jimi Hendrix, Marley, Lennon, Method Man, Krs?

 

[Bigsuk]

Truth.

What a lot of people didn't know back then or even now, was that most of the album, with the exception of "Put It On" and "Street Struck" was 3-4 years old. He started recording that album years before it came out, but Columbia didn't want to give him more of a budget to freshen up any of the material.

We were playing "No Endz, No Skinz" around the way in '93, that summer. So all of us were shocked to see it on the album two years later. A lot of that sh*t was mad old.

I take it your from his hood or close …. Did you know his killer gee ?? what was he like n if you did know him … did he express any regrets after the fact or was it a case of it had to be done ?? …. I know the story behind it just seeing from someone around that way point of view

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

His killer is dead. Big L was nice as fukk, don’t get it twisted, but m don’t see him giving you an Only You Remix or Mo Money Mo Problem, classics that people recite word for word. Mase was nice and Cam too and really put Harlem on the map. I think without the legal issues Max B would be the GOAT Harlem rapper, he is to me, but I can’t deny Mase and Cam’s impact, especially with a major backing like Bad Boy and Roc-A-Fella

Big L had his chance respectfully. “MVP” was great but I’m not putting him over guys that had nation wide impact and were in the ballpark lyrically

 

[Razzay]

I agree. I like Cam, but had to grow to like and appreciate him.

I never took to Made.

I grew up on Krs, Redman, Wu, Onyx.

Big L was a complete stand out. Rugged as hell - but had heart beneath it all.

Study his earlier demos. You can tell he studied the greats. His early work sounds like '88 hip hop. He innovated and grew.

On a side note - I heard great things about Cam and Mase's podcast - also that Can stated he quit rap. But I don't think that's a good look. Mase quit years ago.

Why not stick to the one thing you Excell at for life? Like Jimi Hendrix, Marley, Lennon, Method Man, Krs?

On the show Cam confirmed that Mase and him got music ready, it's just Mase aint ready to release it without the right return. Same w touring it was brought up of why they cancelled the 3 headed monster tour and it had to do with the promoter and the pay, which Mase checked Cam on.

Wallo hooked them up w Live Nation touring contact to get them a better deal and possibly looking into them to do the Roots picnic next June. This going to set the stage for new music - joint album from them in early 2024 to catapult their impact.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Lux and Mook rap better than all 3, , just facts

What have them nikkax ever done in a professional game though?