Do African borders need to be redrawn?

[Cynic]

What does me not visiting those countries have to do with anything? You visited those countries? Good for you. You want an award? You still have not corrected my claim on whether or not South African region is more developed than other regions of Africa. So my point still stands...

"Anyways, I think most of the countries in Southern Africa formed organically or its just that either southern African countries are more developed or don't have that many ethnic groups."

Which is why to me they don't NEED to "redraw their borders" because of lack of ethnic conflict. Which everyone in this thread claims is the main root of problem with conflicts in Africa.

And developed countries have less conflicts such as civil wars, because well... They're DEVELOPED. This is common sense and what is so "ludicrous" about? Developed infrastructure and stable governments minimizes conflicts and southern African countries have that compared to other regions of Africa. I don't care if I haven't been to a southern African country, I can easily read statistics and news online.

With no dealings with people of that particular region I'd once again stick to West/East Africa...

You know things you actually know about ?

There are other variables at play here so to gloss over that and make broad generalizations
such as "they formed organically" is largely ignorant...

They don't share the same history/resources/culture/population size or even colonialists



Conflict is about resources and control. We don't need civil war in the western world
we have feminism/gynocentrism/racism. The global elite fund these mercenaries and coups
for their own personal gain then let politicins impose sanctions as if their imperialist forefathers
weren't running around doing extremely foul sh!t

Afterall...if everyone is fighting each other...they don't unite to fight the one pulling the strings

I don't care if I haven't been to a southern African country, I can easily read statistics and news online.

Spoken like a recalcitrant first world c00n

 

[Blackrogue]

We do own it. We will get it back through force or negotiations. The real enemies of Somalis are Ethiopians and Kenyans who thrive off the instability and balkanization of Somalia.

Good luck with that

 

[OD-MELA]

The borders of Africa are artificial, and it is a tragedy that Africa was not allowed to develop according to its own plan and instead got a shyt sandwich at the Congress of Berlin.

That being said, most of the cases I have seen for ethnic balkanization will make everything worse, not better. Africa started emerging from colonialism with Europe trying to break up countries in the name of "natural borders". When Belgium send the troops and mercenaries into Katanga in eastern Congo to sabotage Lumumba and grab the cooper, Katanga's leader Moise Tshombe used that whole Luba ethnicity as a justification. Recently Paul Kagame, with aid from the US and UK that was mysteriously never cut off, tried to annex East Congo since at one time in history it belonged to the ancient kingdom Rwanda emerged from. Biafra was a sad story, but it's over and I love my Ibo brothers and sisters but I would never support Ojukwu part II.

As logical as it sounds, splitting up African countries would create a free for all as the West, China, and maybe India prop up their favorites while heavy fighting is likely to occur where there are natural resources. In any case, Nigeria/Congo/both Sudans aside, ethnic revolutions and violence are down from thirty years ago. Ethnic insurgencies or conflicts in Senegal (Casamance), Ethiopia (well still issues here, i.e. Oromo comments by other posters), Liberia, and most other countries are being improved or worked out. National lingua franca is all either European or Arabic languages anyway. Ethnic homogeneity and traditional heritage don't guarantee success either. Botswana did well but Swaziland and Lesotho are still poor and problematic. Granted Lesotho has done a better job attracting industry.

Read George Ayittey's books. A lot of African conflict at its core is not ethnic but rather problems created by ruling elites which they try to dress up as 'ethnic' to save their ass and get support.

Good post!

 

[Bawon Samedi]

With no dealings with people of that particular region I'd once again stick to West/East Africa...

You know things you actually know about ?

So what your basically saying is that you have no argument to what I said?

There are other variables at play here so to gloss over that and make broad generalizations
such as "they formed organically" is largely ignorant...

Then DISPROVE them and stop whining about how people need to stick to certain subjects if they never visited a certain country. Because that's all you're doing.

They don't share the same history/resources/culture/population size or even colonialists

What does this have to do with any? Can you prove southern African countries as a whole are not more developed than countries in East and West Africa? Yes or no. I'm done going in circles and playing your strawman.

Conflict is about resources and control. We don't need civil war in the western world
we have feminism/gynocentrism/racism. The global elite fund these mercenaries and coups
for their own personal gain then let politicins impose sanctions as if their imperialist forefathers
weren't running around doing extremely foul sh!t

How can I take anything you say seriously after this? And not only that, but you're going off topic.

Afterall...if everyone is fighting each other...they don't unite to fight the one pulling the strings

Okay? And? There are ethnic no civil wars currently in southern Africa. Maybe its because their countries are more developed or they're "united against the white man" like you suggested. But my original point still stands that they don't need their borders redrawn.

Spoken like a recalcitrant first world c00n

Spoken like someone who has no argument. Calling someone a c00n when you have no counter. Classic. Still waiting for this to be countered.
"Anyways, I think most of the countries in Southern Africa formed organically or its just that either southern African countries are more developed or don't have that many ethnic groups."

^^^Refute the bolded or don't bother replying to me again.

Also...
Southern Africa: SADC Deemed Most Stable Region of Africa
http://allafrica.com/stories/201508131456.html

 

[Barnett114]

I think eventually, the people in these African countries will redraw the borders when they feel it's time

 

[Cynic]

So what your basically saying is that you have no argument to what I said?

Then DISPROVE them and stop whining about how people need to stick to certain subjects if they never visited a certain country. Because that's all you're doing.



What does this have to do with any? Can you prove southern African countries as a whole are not more developed than countries in East and West Africa? Yes or no. I'm done going in circles and playing your strawman.


How can I take anything you say seriously after this? And not only that, but you're going off topic.



Okay? And? There are ethnic no civil wars currently in southern Africa. Maybe its because their countries are more developed or they're "united against the white man" like you suggested. But my original point still stands that they don't need their borders redrawn.





Spoken like someone who has no argument. Calling someone a c00n when you have no counter. Classic. Still waiting for this to be countered.
"Anyways, I think most of the countries in Southern Africa formed organically or its just that either southern African countries are more developed or don't have that many ethnic groups."

^^^Refute the bolded or don't bother replying to me again.

Also...
Southern Africa: SADC Deemed Most Stable Region of Africa
http://allafrica.com/stories/201508131456.html

You look at things through a vacuum without any historical context or controls for sample size or any other metric

You theory isn't based on empirical or even anecdotal evidence

Yet you can disprove it yourself by researching southern Bantu customs, history and colonialism.

But that would require more work, actually talking to those tribes and essentially expanding consciousness. Alas your solipsism as an outsider who knows everything because he "read the news" won't let you.


You are in effect, loyal to your own ignorance.


Like I said best to focus on East/West where you might have more in depth knowledge and solutions.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

You look at things through a vacuum without any historical context or controls for sample size or any other metric

You theory isn't based on empirical or even anecdotal evidence

Yet you can disprove it yourself by researching southern Bantu customs, history and colonialism.

But that would require more work, actually talking to those tribes and essentially expanding consciousness. Alas your solipsism as an outsider who knows everything because he "read the news" won't let you.


You are in effect, loyal to your own ignorance.


Like I said best to focus on East/West where you might have more in depth knowledge and solutions.

And yet still no counter.

Ignorance this ignorance that and yet...

Southern Africa: SADC Deemed Most Stable Region of Africa
http://allafrica.com/stories/201508131456.html

All the bolded doesn't matter, as of right now you're just throwing in random stuff. It doesn't matter HOW the SADC region became stable/developed, the POINT IS that they are more stable/developed than other regions in Africa. And for the most part they do NOT NEED TO REDRAW their borders.

Stop wasting my time already.

PS: I didn't claim I know everything, but its getting annoying that you think someone has to visit a country or region if they want to know everything about it. Yeah its good for experience and first hand knowledge, but as far as knowing about a countries economy and government? One can easily read statistics conducted by people who actually been to those places. Stop acting like this isn't true.

 

[Cynic]

And yet still no counter.

Ignorance this ignorance that and yet...

Southern Africa: SADC Deemed Most Stable Region of Africa
http://allafrica.com/stories/201508131456.html

All the bolded doesn't matter, as of right now you're just throwing in random stuff. It doesn't matter HOW the SADC region became stable/developed, the POINT IS that they are more stable/developed than other regions in Africa. And for the most part they do NOT NEED TO REDRAW their borders.

Stop wasting my time already.

PS: I didn't claim I know everything, but its getting annoying that you think someone has to visit a country or region if they want to know everything about it. Yeah its good for experience and first hand knowledge, but as far as knowing about a countries economy and government? One can easily read statistics conducted by people who actually been to those places. Stop acting like this isn't true.

I'm not. I'd rather discuss East/West Africa....

I will now go read your posts concerning those regions.



Thank you

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I'm not. I'd rather discuss East/West Africa....

I will now go read your posts concerning those regions.



Thank you

Still no counter.

 

[Cynic]

Still no counter.

I'm still reading breh.... When I spot something to do with East/West Africa ill say something

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I'm still reading breh.... When I spot something to do with East/West Africa ill say something

Just stop already...

 

[Max B]

It has to be more than that. Somalia is the most homogenous country in Africa. 85% ethnic Somalis....100% Muslim...same culture...same language. Yet the one of the most conflict prone states in Africa.

Inshallah it will split up to 3 different countries.

Only way Somalia can reunite is move the capital to hargeisa and the president to be either be majerteen/gudurbusi or isaaq

 

[frankster]

I think the borders should be erased.......
They only serve to divide

 

[Apollo Creed]

I think the borders should be erased.......
They only serve to divide

These People arent historically the "same" though. I do think that Africa as a whole needs to flip an emergency switch and focus on the bigger picture that will save everyones behind though.

 

[Mr.Big Meat McGee]

I know Nigeria is a potential great power but once you meet a Nigerian elite or their kids, you'll then know it has slim chances of occurring

I thought a lot of Nigerian elite send their kids to America to learn n stuff. Then go back to the Homeland and build.