Year 13 nah lol. Now that’s doing to much. But Lebron has been greater than Mike. I don’t really see how it’s a debate anymore
Year 13 was 2016. That was it, his career resume to that point was already astounding and he capped that season off with the greatest Finals performance ever---->most basketball heads, irrespective of whether they are LeBron "fans" or not, recognize his Games 5 thru 7 as the greatest three game postseason run of all time, for the degree of difficulty in what he was seeking to accomplish and the level of play he was bringing on BOTH sides:
Year 13 did it. I, like millions of others, watched that series in real time and watched his career in real time, I didn't need anyone else's opinion to validate mine, I know what I saw. But I am far from alone in recognizing exactly WHAT we saw in the '16 Finals (and in his career at large)...
he already has imo but the “lack” of chips/winning record in the finals in comparison to MJ is all folks can cling on to at this point
Which is the dumbest argument ever. Mike played 15 years, when he had comparable rosters to the '07 or '18 Cavs, or the '15 Finals Cavs roster sans Love and Kyrie, he couldn't win a playoff game---->if he even made the playoffs...
Yet somehow carrying insufficient rosters to the cusp of championships is more of a demerit than not even getting close...
Basketball in Bron's era was more sophisticated, better athletes, deeper talent pool. Those are objective facts. Michael Jordan not winning no gotdamn 6 titles if his career was 2004 to 2023, instead of 1984 to 2003, and certainly not "undefeated". Everybody knows this but heads love playing dumb with the ring counting shyt---->like you said it's the only thing these nikkas can hang on to at this point...
He said he's "running out of arguments" not that Lebron "will be the GOAT" as this thread title claims.
The argument makes no sense since Kareem is currently the leading scorer and has 6 rings and 6 MVP's but how many are calling him the GOAT over Jordan?
Karl Malone, Lebron, Kobe are all ahead of Jordan all time in total points, AND?
What does being the leading scorer have to do with the GOAT when MJ has 10 scoring titles? Recency bias at its finest. Wacky argument
Because there are two many legitimate weaknesses in Kareem's resume, stop talking like he and Bron have equal resumes...
Kareem choked in multiple Finals and multiple playoff series, not just one; Kareem never did anything noteworthy, in terms of winning basketball, without an elite point; Kareem was the best player in basketball for a decade and got one ring and two Finals appearances out of that "domination"...
I'll stop there...
Kobe entered The League riding the pine, he wasn't one of these guys who entered the NBA guns blazing--->you know, like Mike, or Kareem, or Bron, etc. It's a legitimate demerit against him in comparison to others, some guys walked in the door as That Guy, he objectively needed a few years to mature into That Guy;
I don't support guys who call Kobe outright "inefficient", but his efficiency compared to several All-Time wing scorers (Bron and Mike again, add Bird, add KD, etc), both befire AND after he played, was bottom tier, we have guys who could score at Kobe volume and do it more efficiently, so his All-Time points is diluted if comparing him to a select few,
Kobe Bryant is one of very few pantheon greats, quite possibly the only Top 10'er, who doesn't have a single All-Time Finals series. That's a legitimate negative, he played in 7 of those muhfukkas and doesn't have ONE that registers as an All-Time demonstration--->his best Finals end to end was '09 and would be the 4th or 5th best Finals for Bron or Mike, minimum...
I'll stop here, there are too many holes in Kobe's resume...
I don't know why you're bringing up Karl Malone. His career is not even in the same category as any of these other guys...
I gotta remember, you're the 26-year old Jordan Stan who never saw any Mike game live but let YouTube and popular opinion dictate Mike as GOAT to you
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