Dinesh D'Souza on Black failure

[MeachTheMonster]

but that is the point, it is the equivalent of 2.50, thats what im tryna get you to understand, in nigeria you have to work a whole day and half to buy a loaf of bread for your family and hope that lasts a while, of course you can live like that, but it suks

That's not what the link said. It said they make $2 American dollars a day. Bread doesn't cost $2 American dollars therefore their $2 goes way further than the same $2 would in America.

 

[theworldismine13]

The kids who have quality parents aren't the ones that need help. Vouchers won't help if mom is to stupid to sign the kids up. Charters won't help if mom is to broke to pay for gas to get the kid there

the point of creating options is that not everything works for everybody, some people may like their public school, some parents may not give a fuk but after the school gets shut down they will have to give some thought, and a lot of public schools get shut down and reopened in the same buildings as the old public school so i dont see distance being an issue

charter school locations are only an issue if the unions are limiting the number of charter schools, but the more charter schools we have the less location is an issue

in the end the parent is ultimately responsible for a child education, the government's job is to make sure the parent has access, its not the government's responsibility to educate, its the parents, the government simply provides the tools to the parent to educate their child

the only thing we need to share is information

That sounds good to say on an Internet forum. But in reality it's just not feasable. We can't afford to feed these kids, how could we possibly afford to build them all new schools. And if we never address the problems that created the bad schools, what's to stop the new schools from having the same problems?

but the problem is culture, and religous schools and charters schools address that in all sorts of ways, and if they dont nothing stops charter schools from having the same problems, but nothing is stopping them from getting shut down either, so if they fail the people that work there will lose their jobs as opposed to the regular public school where if a school fails nobody gets fired and nobody has to take responsibility for failure

You can tell a person their culture is wrong. But unless you adress the things that created the wrong culture, nothing will change.

Adults are stuck in their ways, we can't change them. The oh way to change the culture is to start with the kids. We can't change the kids throug

ok, i agree

People already know they need to get their shyt together, they don't need you to tell them. People know being uneducated and stuck in the hood isn't a good thing. They just don't feel they have other options. They settle for what they have because they don't see a way out. I advocate showing them a way out. Not telling them SHOWING them.

however you want to put it, its fine

I'm not with all the left right democrat republican talk. I advocate a hands on approach of succesful black folks going back to our communities and making a change.

oh ok, thats fine, i thought you were saying some socialist manifesto type sharing the wealth

but black people definitely need to share the wealth amongst ourselves but in a capitalist sense, when you share your wealth you should get more money back and we do that by investing in our own people and again that is why why we need to study other groups including immigrants and even whites to see how to build and spread capital and wealth and create prosperous neighborhoods

 

[MeachTheMonster]

the point of creating options is that not everything works for everybody, some people may like their public school, some parents may not give a fuk but after the school gets shut down they will have to give some thought, and a lot of public schools get shut down and reopened in the same buildings as the old public school so i dont see distance being an issue

charter school locations are only an issue if the unions are limiting the number of charter schools, but the more charter schools we have the less location is an issue

in the end the parent is ultimately responsible for a child education, the government's job is to make sure the parent has access, its not the government's responsibility to educate, its the parents, the government simply provides the tools to the parent to educate their child

the only thing we need to share is information



but the problem is culture, and religous schools and charters schools address that in all sorts of ways, and if they dont nothing stops charter schools from having the same problems, but nothing is stopping them from getting shut down either, so if they fail the people that work there will lose their jobs as opposed to the regular public school where if a school fails nobody gets fired and nobody has to take responsibility for failure



ok, i agree


however you want to put it, its fine



oh ok, thats fine, i thought you were saying some socialist manifesto type sharing the wealth

but black people definitely need to share the wealth amongst ourselves but in a capitalist sense, when you share your wealth you should get more money back and we do that by investing in our own people and again that is why why we need to study other groups including immigrants and even whites to see how to build and spread capital and wealth and create prosperous neighborhoods

Good back and forth, but we've to start repeat ourselves. I agree that educating our people is most important, but I disagree on how we can achieve that goal.

I guess if we have people like myself fighting in my way, and people like yourself fighting in your way, maybe we will cover all grounds and actualy make a change.

 

[theworldismine13]

That's not what the link said. It said they make $2 American dollars a day. Bread doesn't cost $2 American dollars therefore their $2 goes way further than the same $2 would in America.

its 1.81 to be exact, my bad, you only have to work about 3/4 of your day to buy a loaf of bread

Nigeria, Lagos - cost of living

1 kg boneless, skinless, chicken breast USD$10.80, 1 kg cheddar cheese USD$28.00, 1 dozen large eggs USD$3.34, 500g loaf white bread USD$1.81, 1 L full cream milk USD$2.44, and 1.5 L water USD$1.22.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

its 1.81 to be exact, my bad, you only have to work about 3/4 of your day to buy a loaf of bread

Nigeria, Lagos - cost of living

You picked a city with a very high cost of living. I'm sure the workers in that city are making more than $2 per day

 

[theworldismine13]

You picked a city with a very high cost of living. I'm sure the workers in that city are making more than $2 per day

breh stop it, $2 means $2

lagos has a few rich people but it also has one of the biggest slums in the world, the people that live in the slums of lagos make $2 a day
Welcome to Lagos | Watch Free Documentary Online

 

[MeachTheMonster]

breh stop it, $2 means $2

lagos has a few rich people but it also has one of the biggest slums in the world, the people that live in the slums of lagos make $2 a day
Welcome to Lagos | Watch Free Documentary Online

Your link said Lagos has a very high cost of living. Economically speaking the only way businesses could charge that much and stay in business is if they have consumers that make enough to purchase their goods.

 

[theworldismine13]

Your link said Lagos has a very high cost of living. Economically speaking the only way businesses could charge that much and stay in business is if they have consumers that make enough to purchase their goods.

yeah they do, there are a lot of rich people in lagos, mostly corrupt people, they can buy the bread for 1.81, which is cheap, i usually pay 4 something unless its on special, but the AVERAGE is $2 a day so most people in lagos cannot afford to eat the same way we eat, only the very rich of nigeria eat like we do (we meaning we in the hood with food stamps)

 

[theworldismine13]

this is another good link about food around the world

In Pictures: 15 Family Food Budgets From Around The World | Stickboy Daily

 

[MeachTheMonster]

yeah they do, there are a lot of rich people in lagos, mostly corrupt people, but the AVERAGE is in $2 a day so most people in lagos cannot afford to eat the same way we eat, only the very rich of nigeria eat like we do (we meaning we in the hood with food stamps)

You took the wages of the poor, and compared them to prices in a wealthy city.

All I said was that $2 there goes further than $2 here.

 

[theworldismine13]

You took the wages of the poor, and compared them to prices in a wealthy city.

All I said was that $2 there goes further than $2 here.

it does go further there, here bread cost $4, over there it costs $1.81, that doesnt change the fact that on average nigerians make a couple of dollars a day so its hard for them to buy bread, it takes a huge portion of their budget just to eat

so $2 a day means $2 a day even if you can get bread for $1

 

[fscballin]

what little i know about dinesh seems to suggest he is a professional indian c00n for money. i dont even know if he personally believes in anything or gives a damn, but he knows he can make a quick buck off CACs and CAC minded stockholm syndrome suffering people

that being said, the most important thing immigrants ever do is leave a country that was stifling them. all of their good behaviors were, apparently useless back home. their native environment was placing some kind of ceiling on their aspirations, so they left. i suspect the lesson to be learned from immigrants is that black people need to get the hell out of america, unfortunately.

Its pretty much worse everywhere else in the world, in some way shape or form. But i cosign your mentality, we need to form our own country minus the savages.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

I think it all comes down to drive to succeed, not saying AA's don't want to succeed but I feel a sense of "acceptance of mediocrity" in the black community. Some people are content with staying on welfare with no drive to succeed. As long as they are getting a place to stay and food to eat, the motivational drive to go beyond that is not enough.

Most immigrant families refuse to go on government assistance and get a job right away once they touch the shores of America....the worth ethic gene is there....

ALSO

Most immigrant families are married and STAY married. That's not the case with American blacks.

A single mother can only do her best no way in hell her paycheck can support a family and most importantly I think black women in American are on some "Mrs independent bullsh!t" which goes contrary to the way a woman is supposed behave, act and conduct herself. I blame BLACK women for majority of the ILLS in the black community.

Single motherhood is admired like is some sort of an accomplishment. In most immigrant communities a single mother can't even show her face.

Black women will procreate and fukk any loser and later complain about how this n!gga aint sh!t because "he don't take care of his kids"

Well b!tch doesn't it take 2 to tango?

Even if you have a married black family with man and woman making 40K each, that's 80K in gross income. That right there lifts that family and a kid out of poverty.....

Wow, just wow.

You ever stop to think why there is a culture of Ms Independent? Think back to slavery days when they were purposefully destroying the black family, what could a mother do? Mope around OR assume both roles and do her best to take care of her family the best SHE could? What do you think her daughters learned from that? What do you think her sons learn without their father?

During Jim Crow years and a man was lynched, what do you think the mother of the family should do? Assume both roles right? What do the daughters learn? Sons without father? When the military was one of few avenues out for black men what do you think the mother does back home? Assume both roles right? What does the daughter learn? Sons with the father away?

As ol buddy said earlier in the thread, there has NEVER been an era of family stability in AA's and you can look at the roots to see why.

Your post is garbage b. Absolute garbage. And there is no way out the way some immigrants find a way out. They dont have the same history nor the same issues now. Assuming we can just do what they do is lazy at best. What bank you know is investing money to open a business in "our neighborhoods"? Theres a few types of businesses you can open in hoods: Mom n pops restaurant, liquor store, gas station, maybe a beauty supply. Thats about it. Drive through the hood man. You cant support your fellow AA if there is nothing to support.

Because you really cant do shyt in those hoods, but move away from the vicious cycle of poverty theres literally no hope for those environments because once you get out you really ought stay out.

 

[Chris.B]

Wow, just wow.

You ever stop to think why there is a culture of Ms Independent? Think back to slavery days when they were purposefully destroying the black family, what could a mother do? Mope around OR assume both roles and do her best to take care of her family the best SHE could? What do you think her daughters learned from that? What do you think her sons learn without their father?

During Jim Crow years and a man was lynched, what do you think the mother of the family should do? Assume both roles right? What do the daughters learn? Sons without father? When the military was one of few avenues out for black men what do you think the mother does back home? Assume both roles right? What does the daughter learn? Sons with the father away?

As ol buddy said earlier in the thread, there has NEVER been an era of family stability in AA's and you can look at the roots to see why.

Your post is garbage b. Absolute garbage. And there is no way out the way some immigrants find a way out. They dont have the same history nor the same issues now. Assuming we can just do what they do is lazy at best. What bank you know is investing money to open a business in "our neighborhoods"? Theres a few types of businesses you can open in hoods: Mom n pops restaurant, liquor store, gas station, maybe a beauty supply. Thats about it. Drive through the hood man. You cant support your fellow AA if there is nothing to support.

Because you really cant do shyt in those hoods, but move away from the vicious cycle of poverty theres literally no hope for those environments because once you get out you really ought stay out.

What you just wrote is straight trash, garbage at it's finest.
You keep on perpetuating a victim mentally of just because "we were slaves we can't prosper"....one one is denying the effects of slavery but if you truly believe the bastard culture of having kids outside of a committed relationship is not hurting the AA community than you are in straight denial.

The government can give the AA community all the wealth it can it won't make a freaking difference.

There has to be a total cultural change because if not every immigrant group will surpass AA's...in case you have not noticed all the political parties are now pandering to Hispanics immigrants

 

[Northern Son]

I can't stand these "model minority" rented b*stards. Call me bigoted but it's almost always the case that these Indian/Paki fukks suck up to whites and SUPPORT white supremacy and anti-black legislature/rhetoric to earn table scraps from cacs . Their hero Gandhi did this nonsense in South Africa.

This little shyt is the Indian equivalent of a "Rented Negro". Put on TV by whites to spew the tired bootstrap argument and black pathologies as black's worst enemy.

This fakkit hasn't lived a day in his life as a BLACK PERSON, what the fukk would he know about discrimination against us ?

Survey: Nigerians Most Educated in the U.S. | News | BET

Nigerian Americans have long been known for their community’s intense cultural emphasis on education, and now an analysis of Census data coupled with several local surveys shows that Nigerians don't just value education, but surpass all other U.S. ethnic groups when it comes to obtaining degrees.


According to 2006 census data, 37 percent of Nigerians in the U.S. had bachelor's degrees, 17 percent held master's degrees and 4 percent had doctorates. In contrast, the same census data showed only 19 percent of white Americans had bachelor’s degrees, 8 percent held master’s degrees and only 1 percent held doctorates, the paper reports.



The census data was bolstered by an independent analysis of 13 annual Houston-area surveys conducted by Rice University and commissioned by the Chronicle.



"These are higher levels of educational attainment than were found in any other...community," Stephen Klineberg, a sociologist at Rice University who conducts the annual Houston Area Survey, told the paper.



However, despite the strides in education made by many African immigrants, including Nigerian-Americans, discrimination still colors their prospects for employment. A study of 2010 employment data by the Economic Policy Institute showed that, across nationalities and ethnic groups, Black immigrants carried the highest unemployment rate of all foreign-born workers.

Care to explain that Dinesh ?