Suicide King
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Well, when it comes to being informed, you have to be very knowledgeable of all the facts and arguments.
Dinesh D'Souza on Black failure
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Well, when it comes to being informed, you have to be very knowledgeable of all the facts and arguments.
this is true. but you dont have to listen to EVERYONE. remember this.
the facts are what? we know for a fact a lot of INDIAN people look down on black people just like a lot of white people. CISM.
so why would i really want to listen to some cism person try to tell me why black people (the oppressed) are in such a bad situation STILL.
when i already know the ROOT cause is OPPRESSION. and i already know said guy wont address this as the ROOT cause and main issue because he himself is now using the same cism on the same black folks, that the white man used on black folks. its like me listening to a klu klux leader tell me about what black people SHOULD be doing. without admitting its because of WHITE supremacy that they are in the situation they are in today around the world. that doesnt mean there are no lazy people in every culture. we know that.
as i've always stated. you want to talk about when are black folks going to get it together. the answer is simple. the day a black man of average intelligence is allotted the same opportunities as a white man of average intelligence. said white man would be my supervisor. said blackman will not even have a corporate gig.
10 white men of average intelligence that have never stepped foot into anyone's post high school educational system(no JC, no college, no career training).
yet 6 to 7 of them can end up with an office jobs. making 15 to 20 /hr(not much but it could be much worse.
10 black men of average intelligence that have never stepped foot into anyone's post high school educational system(no JC, no college, no career training).
yet 2 or 3 (TOPS) of them can end up with an office job, making 11.50 to 15 hr.
when that same black men stat can hi 6 to 7 just like the white guys. then we can talk about why blacks aint doing this or that.
Suicide King
#OldBlack
I would listen to arguments and positions on both sides of any topic. I simply could not make an informed decision with only half the information. To leave out different viewpoints in any discussion or NOT modifying your philosophy/outlook based on new information will not allow you to grow as an individual.
Oppression sucks. Maybe it was crack. Maybe it was locking up so many black man causing single parent households. Maybe it was so many kids who lacked guidance, and because of this neglect they developed a apathy which was passed from generation to generation to generation. Oppression is very bad!
Either-or, I'll teach a kid discipline, self-control, and dedication so he would never be marginalized by anyone, any job or any oppression. These are the main ingredients of success, so this same black kid could easy get accepted into Princeton at 16 years old or become the President of the United States.
KillSpray
Don't be mad
people have to make the distinction between prejudice/bias, ignorance, and racism, which I see getting confused for one another a lot. People are prejudiced, all people are, and prejudice expresses itself in many ways, not just based on race, but religion, culture, social status, etc... When someone expresses a biased viewpoint that relates to race, it isn't necessarily racist, tho it will always be called cism by most black folks. 
In some cases bias/prejudice is the rational, like Dinesh said about cab drivers, and other times bias/prejudice is based on ignorance or lack of information. In either case, ignorance isn't necessarily racism either.
Racism is a belief that one race is superior to another, and the superiority is rooted in the actual racial component itself. So its more than prejudice. To say something like black people have a culture of laziness... immediately black people are offended, crying racism. If you connect the trait with the race, that's racism... i.e. black people are inherently lazy, as a matter of birth, genes, DNA, it cannot be changed thru any behavioral modification, they are just inherently this way. THAT IS RACISM. If you don't make that connection, but instead just make the observation that there seems to be a culture of laziness among blacks, that may be ignorant, and you may behave in a prejudicial way as a result, but that's not necessarily racism people!
I'm not saying any one of these things is right... but prejudice is in human nature, its a part of survival instinct, so that's not going anywhere. Instead of always crying racism every time a non-black person expresses themselves on race, understand what's realy going on first. You may actually end up learning something, or teaching someone else something.
learn what? what i already know? white man has taught the world. that the black man is less than. the rest of the world, even if they still are looked at as less than then white man, said other man doesnt care as long as he is greater than the blackman.
In some cases bias/prejudice is the rational, like Dinesh said about cab drivers, and other times bias/prejudice is based on ignorance or lack of information. In either case, ignorance isn't necessarily racism either.
Racism is a belief that one race is superior to another, and the superiority is rooted in the actual racial component itself. So its more than prejudice. To say something like black people have a culture of laziness... immediately black people are offended, crying racism. If you connect the trait with the race, that's racism... i.e. black people are inherently lazy, as a matter of birth, genes, DNA, it cannot be changed thru any behavioral modification, they are just inherently this way. THAT IS RACISM. If you don't make that connection, but instead just make the observation that there seems to be a culture of laziness among blacks, that may be ignorant, and you may behave in a prejudicial way as a result, but that's not necessarily racism people!
I'm not saying any one of these things is right... but prejudice is in human nature, its a part of survival instinct, so that's not going anywhere. Instead of always crying racism every time a non-black person expresses themselves on race, understand what's realy going on first. You may actually end up learning something, or teaching someone else something.
end of discussion.
Well it's not about trowing money at the problem, I believe that when more money is spent between black business within the community it will also allow you to build better relationships with other blacks, build trust, and work towards common agendas. I think it just has a great effect overall and would be one of the first steps in strengthening those bonds.
Suicide King
#OldBlack
I would rather have two parent households.
I also think the generational welfare system has contributed to this. I'm not opposed to getting help from the government if you need it but when you have generations upon generation on welfare, the incentive to work is gone. Which means you spend more time getting in trouble than NOT getting in trouble. You can spend all day gangbanging and still find a place to sleep...
Marriage was suppose to be a man and a woman get together, work to provide shelter for themselves and their family.
Well if the government is going to provide me and my family shelter..why should I work to take care of family?
Most black men are raised by single mothers so the need to commit is not there plus there was no strong father figure in their life to keep them in check. These youngins grow up thinking they are not accountable to anyone till they get a job, then the reality sets once they find out accountability is part of life
Black folks need to get the marriage rate up before we start complaining about white folks and what they have done to us.
Poverty among married people is very low even in some states non-existent because of dual income.
I gurantee you , over 60% of the issues in the black community will disappear if we can get a 60-70% marriage rate...
yup. I found out that people grew up without fathers have a harder time knowing what accountability is. Especially, like you said, people can fukk around all day and still have a place to sleep.
Like I would take someone named Dinesh, seriously 
GetInTheTruck
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many "pro-black" leaders have made the same "do for self" points Dinesh made in this video but everybody decided to go the liberal route and become dependent on government to define their self-worth. whose fault is that? what he said about de-segregation and how it ironically contributed to black failure was very poignant. Towards the end, he actually encourages black people to discriminate just like korean and jewish business owners who only hire their own kind instead of holding fast to this "color blind" liberal fantasy. Do y'all really have a problem with that?
anyway, I don't like Dinesh...even though many of his points are valid he's not coming from a genuine place.
anyway, I don't like Dinesh...even though many of his points are valid he's not coming from a genuine place.
I'm getting sick of hearing this old tired nonsense. The greatest mind fukk in the world, is in power whites convincing you that lobying the goverment for your own personal interests is a bad thing. They tell you you're "dependant on goverment" if you get things like public assistance, or tuition assistance. But when they get "cooporation assistance" it's not considered being dependent on goverment.
Name one successful corporation/person that made it to that success without being "dependant on goverment"
GetInTheTruck
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You gonna trust the same government that enslaved and dehumanized you to suddenly nurture and care for you while looking out for your best interests?
good luck with that.
You gonna trust the same government that enslaved and dehumanized you to suddenly nurture and care for you while looking out for your best interests?
It's not about trusting them. Living in America you have to play by their rules whether you like it or not. It makes no sense to take yourself out the game, cause they don't wanna play fair.
GetInTheTruck
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the government isn't going to take care of you any better than you can take care of yourself.
there's a difference between using the government here and there as a means to achieve an ultimate goal, but unfortunately too many people want the government to take care of them from the womb to the tomb. the only reason I can think of as to why that is is that some people just enjoy being the victim and don't want to admit it.
what he said about black people being more concerned about being discriminated against in a denny's than issues that really affect them economically is true as fukk.
Again it's not about the goverment taking care of anybody. The goverment is here and it places regulations/opportunities/restrictions in our life. It doesn't make any sense not to lobby for those regulations/opportunities/restrictions to be in your best interest.
For example food costs are so high due to goverment regulations and intervention. Poor people could feed themselves without food stamps if the goverment didn't drive up the prices and make farming more difficult and expensive.
This isn't people "depending on the goverment to take care of them" but it's the goverment subsidizing its own fukkery.
Same goes or college tuition and any other public assistance program.
As for "people wanting the goverment to take care of them from the womb to the tomb"
that's nonsense. Those in power lobby for the goverment to preserve that power. Why shouldn't those not in power lobby for the goverment to give them some?And I disagree with the "black folks concerned about Denny's....." Line of thinking as well. Sure some times the outrage is misguided and should be applied to differnt issues. But the only reason people like Dinesh bring up that fact is to minimize all the real and important issues that black people are concerned with. We lobby for equal schooling and job opprtunities, and people like Dinesh say we are asking for handouts and "complaining about racism at Denny's"
It's called deflection. They don't want to talk about the real issues, so they act as if we are only concerned with the trivial ones.