Dinesh D'Souza on Black failure

[NYC Rebel]

Dinesh is right, but I wouldn't discount genetics entirely.

If silver foxes can be bred to behave completely different, then I don't see why 400 years of slavery wouldn't have an effect on the Afram population.

I don't think the slave masters wanted people who were independent, self-reliant, and generally smarter than them. They wanted docile...well domesticated human beings who did what they were told, and couldn't really live without their masters.

I think Aframs are the victims of White enforced eugenics, and in the long scheme of things, whites need to pay for their sins. They assumed the role of gods, and it bit them in the back.

The source population of west africans is not as athletically inclined as the aframs. I have a feeling that comparing west africans to Aframs is not a fair comparison. African immigrants do well, but I don't think that means Aframs are going to do well.

This is retarded.

African immigrants don't reflect Africans from their own countries.

The fukk is wrong with you??????

 

[theworldismine13]

How many times is someone going to have to tell you- when you quote someone, there's a small blue button with a white arrow on it that appears right after the poster's name. That button is a link to the post where the quote is from, and clicking it will take you there. When you're reading this post, look at your name in the quote box above, and click the button right next to it.

oh, i actually had never noticed that before and also you may have a different color scheme then me, because the button is grey not blue

but thanks for the info, this is why i find its important to keep the lines of communication open with people that you find disgusting and repugnant, you can always learn something new

 

[VerbalIntercourse]

This is retarded.

African immigrants don't reflect Africans from their own countries.

The fukk is wrong with you??????

African Immigrants are also selected by US immigration policy.

African Americans were subjected to 400 years of selective breeding by white slave masters. Aframs are a race in their own.

dinesh is right that Aframs have made cultural adaptations to their historical roles, but what's to say there haven't been in genetic changes in the last 500 years. In fact there has been selection.

Genome-wide detection of natural selection in African Americans pre-and post-admixture

It is particularly meaningful to investigate natural selection in African Americans (AfA) due to the high mortality their African ancestry has experienced in history. In this study, we examined 491,526 autosomal SNPs genotyped in 5,210 individuals and conducted a genome-wide search for selection signals in 1,890 AfA. Several genomic regions showing excess of African or European ancestry, which were thought as the footprints of selection since population admixture, were detected based on a commonly used approach. However, we also developed a new strategy to detect natural selection both pre-and post-admixture by reconstructing an ancestral African population (AAF) from inferred African components of ancestry in AfA and comparing it with indigenous African populations (IAF). Interestingly, many selection-candidate genes identified by the new approach were associated with AfA specific high-risk diseases such as prostate cancer and hypertension, suggesting an important role these disease-related genes might have played in adapting to new environment. CD36 and HBB, whose mutations confer a degree of protection against malaria, were also located in the highly differentiated regions between AAF and IAF. Further analysis showed that the frequencies of alleles protecting against malaria in AAF were lower than that in IAF, which consists with the relaxed selection pressure of malaria in the New World. There is no overlap between the top candidate genes detected by the two approaches, indicating the different environmental pressures AfA experienced pre-and post-population-admixture. We suggest that the new approach is reasonably powerful and can also be applied to other admixed populations such as Latinos and Uyghurs.

Importance of mitochondrial haplotypes and maternal lineage in sprint performance among individuals of West African ancestry - Deason - 2011 - Scandinavian Journal of Medicine & Science in Sports - Wiley Online Library

Keywords:

mtDNA haplogroups;
sprint athlete status;
elite athletes;
case–control study

Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is inherited solely along the matriline, giving insight into both ancestry and prehistory. Individuals of sub-Saharan ancestry are overrepresented in sprint athletics, suggesting a genetic advantage. The purpose of this study was to compare the mtDNA haplogroup data of elite groups of Jamaican and African-American sprinters against respective controls to assess any differences in maternal lineage. The first hypervariable region of mtDNA was haplogrouped in elite Jamaican athletes (N=107) and Jamaican controls (N=293), and elite African-American athletes (N=119) and African-American controls (N=1148). Exact tests of total population differentiation were performed on total haplogroup frequencies. The frequency of non-sub-Saharan haplogroups in Jamaican athletes and Jamaican controls was similar (1.87% and 1.71%, respectively) and lower than that of African-American athletes and African-American controls (21.01% and 8.19%, respectively). There was no significant difference in total haplogroup frequencies between Jamaican athletes and Jamaican controls (P=0.551 ± 0.005); however, there was a highly significant difference between African-American athletes and African-American controls (P<0.001). The finding of statistically similar mtDNA haplogroup distributions in Jamaican athletes and Jamaican controls suggests that elite Jamaican sprinters are derived from the same source population and there is neither population stratification nor isolation for sprint performance. The significant difference between African-American sprinters and African-American controls suggests that the maternal admixture may play a role in sprint performance.

 

[NYC Rebel]

African Immigrants are also selected by US immigration policy.

African Americans were subjected to 400 years of selective breeding by white slave masters. Aframs are a race in their own.

dinesh is right that Aframs have made cultural adaptations to their historical roles, but what's to say there haven't been in genetic changes in the last 500 years. In fact there has been selection.

Genome-wide detection of natural selection in African Americans pre-and post-admixture




Importance of mitochondrial haplotypes and maternal lineage in sprint performance among individuals of West African ancestry - Deason - 2011 - Scandinavian Journal of Medicine & Science in Sports - Wiley Online Library

Where did you counter my point?

African immigrants outpace every person here in the U.S. in terms of education. Wy isn't it reflected in the make up if their countries?

How do you compare the elite of one place to a mixture of another group?

It makes no sense.

You could make the same foolish point you're attempting to make about African Americans moving abroad, considering those that do typically are doing better than the people native to the countries they reside in.

Horrible post....

 

[VerbalIntercourse]

Where did you counter my point?

African immigrants outpace every person here in the U.S. in terms of education. Wy isn't it reflected in the make up if their countries?

How do you compare the elite of one place to a mixture of another group?

It makes no sense.

You could make the same foolish point you're attempting to make about African Americans moving abroad, considering those that do typically are doing better than the people native to the countries they reside in.

Horrible post....

I don't think African immigrants necessarily reflect the people in their countries. Why should I counter that?


Aframs (slave descendants) that move abroad are probably smarter and more ambitious than their peers. So, I wouldn't be surprised if they do better in other countries.

 

[NYC Rebel]

I don't think African immigrants necessarily reflect the people in their countries. Why should I counter that?


Aframs (slave descendants) that move abroad are probably smarter and more ambitious than their peers. So, I wouldn't be surprised if they do better in other countries.

At frat it was immigrants being proof. Now it's "probably" after the immigrant thing is discredited.

Just dumb...

 

[rapbeats]

i wasnt attacking the premise of your argument, it's just that the way you constructed it is logically flawed.
you are trying to discredit his position because he is a) indian and b) because of issues indians face in india, which have nothing to do with his argument. he never said "look at me im indian and i am better than you, black man" and he didnt say india was so much more progressive and ahead of america in any issue regarding race or gender.

you don't disprove someone's position by attacking their character, or race, or gender, or their background. you disprove an argument by addressing it directly.

you are again INCORRECT. you still dont get it. or you're trying to ACT as if you dont get it.

I didnt disprove his position at all. i didnt discuss his position at all in that last post.

notice what i said. pay attention.
i'm specifically talking about black folks. cause the rest of yall can do what ya wanna do.
Black people. STOP allowing others to try and pick your brain, pick apart your supposed pathology. when they will never allow you to do this to them. there's a reason for this. PAY...attention. DO not co-sign, or listen to ANYONE from some other race, telling you about your race when they got all sorts of issues in their own race that needs to be handle and dealt with.

they are using US to make themselves feel better. STOP going for the Okie DOKE black people.

YES that means DO NOT listen to this silly nonsense. no matter what. dont even let a person like this speaks. the moment you realize the angle they are coming from. Turn it off, log off, walk out, close the book, etc.

i'll give you the best example to make sure you understand where i'm coming from.

lets assume the christian bible is accurate for arguments sake.
you know the story, adam and eve, ate the fruit, blah blah blah.
but what happened leading up to that point.

eve was tempted by the serpent(whom was controlled by satan or possessed by satan at the time).

the serpent stated, "you will not surely die". saying to eve that hey you wont die if you eat the fruit.

eve fell for the OKIE DOKE and ate the fruit.

Ask yourself a few questions.

#1 Why even listen to someone that doesnt have your best interest at heart? there are times you dont need to even entertain the persons conversation. because they do not have your best interest at heart. you are not perfect, you do not have all the answers. you mess around and listen to a swindler who doesnt care about you. but thats good at convincing people of his theories. you will mess around and believe everything said person says. even though some major parts of what they say is probably flawed. since they ...realllly dont care about you at the end of the day.

lets go back to the story..

Satan does care about eve. so why should eve even entertain dudes speech? she shouldnt. she should've got up and said "if you say something else i'm going to step on your serpent head.and kept it moving. but she didnt. she sat there and listened. and was persuaded into some nonsense. we know how that work out for her.

what the serpent said on the surface level was accurate. She wouldnt die if she ate the fruit..... at that moment.. you see that... YOu surely wont die..... ***whispers under his breath, at this moment***

but we know she's DEAD NOW. dont we.

God had her best interest at heart as well as adams. God told adam not to eat from that tree. then adam told her, that God told him not to eat from that tree and it applied to her as well. Adam had eve's best interest at heart.

but yet eve CHOSE to listen to satan. because she allowed herself to entertain a swindler. just for the sake of getting another opinion on the subject matter. this is where we all go wrong in life at times. there are times you do not need to listen to BS wrapped in perfume. its still BS.

so to you and the twism. NO you dont take every single angle into consideration if you know said angle doesn't care about you and yours. and never think you're to smart to be fooled. you're not. you have to live and learn. and doing that may make you lose a few before you learn "ohhh, dont listen to these clowns."

This indian guy speaking on black folks is a CLOWN.
now if he was speaking on his own people back home in india and trying to find out whats going on with those indian men and how they treat their ladies. BY all means listen to the guy. because then he cares about his people. so what he is saying is to HELP/ASSIST. not to demean or use as a tool to prop himself up higher.

 

[VerbalIntercourse]

At frat it was immigrants being proof. Now it's "probably" after the immigrant thing is discredited.

Just dumb...

immigrants are proof? Where did I say that? I think Aframs are NOT west Africans anyone.

Indians in America are way above everyone else in terms of Income and education. They certainly don't reflect what happens in India at all.

It can be the reverse too.

Cambodians in America are mostly from the farming communities. They are generally dark skinned and have a low median income and low educational attainment rate too.

Cambodia has a Average IQ in the 90's and most Cambodians actually look a lot lighter than that. At least from that's what I could tell when I went there.

 

[NYC Rebel]

immigrants are proof? Where did I say that? I think Aframs are NOT west Africans anyone.

Indians in America are way above everyone else in terms of Income and education. They certainly don't reflect what happens in India at all.

It can be the reverse too.

Cambodians in America are mostly from the farming communities. They are generally dark skinned and have a low median income and low educational attainment rate too.

Cambodia has a Average IQ in the 90's and most Cambodians actually look a lot lighter than that. At least from that's what I could tell when I went there.

1. west Africans are more educated than Indian immigrants
2. Nigerian athletes are just as good as African American athletes when playing sports. I played Div I football and was just as good and better than most black athletes I faced.
3. If what you say is true, we'd see it reflected in The make up of the countries they left.

 

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2X Platinum

 

[sfgiants]

you are again INCORRECT. you still dont get it. or you're trying to ACT as if you dont get it.

I didnt disprove his position at all. i didnt discuss his position at all in that last post.

notice what i said. pay attention.
i'm specifically talking about black folks. cause the rest of yall can do what ya wanna do.
Black people. STOP allowing others to try and pick your brain, pick apart your supposed pathology. when they will never allow you to do this to them. there's a reason for this. PAY...attention. DO not co-sign, or listen to ANYONE from some other race, telling you about your race when they got all sorts of issues in their own race that needs to be handle and dealt with.

they are using US to make themselves feel better. STOP going for the Okie DOKE black people.

YES that means DO NOT listen to this silly nonsense. no matter what. dont even let a person like this speaks. the moment you realize the angle they are coming from. Turn it off, log off, walk out, close the book, etc.

i'll give you the best example to make sure you understand where i'm coming from.

lets assume the christian bible is accurate for arguments sake.
you know the story, adam and eve, ate the fruit, blah blah blah.
but what happened leading up to that point.

eve was tempted by the serpent(whom was controlled by satan or possessed by satan at the time).

the serpent stated, "you will not surely die". saying to eve that hey you wont die if you eat the fruit.

eve fell for the OKIE DOKE and ate the fruit.

Ask yourself a few questions.

#1 Why even listen to someone that doesnt have your best interest at heart? there are times you dont need to even entertain the persons conversation. because they do not have your best interest at heart. you are not perfect, you do not have all the answers. you mess around and listen to a swindler who doesnt care about you. but thats good at convincing people of his theories. you will mess around and believe everything said person says. even though some major parts of what they say is probably flawed. since they ...realllly dont care about you at the end of the day.

lets go back to the story..

Satan does care about eve. so why should eve even entertain dudes speech? she shouldnt. she should've got up and said "if you say something else i'm going to step on your serpent head.and kept it moving. but she didnt. she sat there and listened. and was persuaded into some nonsense. we know how that work out for her.

what the serpent said on the surface level was accurate. She wouldnt die if she ate the fruit..... at that moment.. you see that... YOu surely wont die..... ***whispers under his breath, at this moment***

but we know she's DEAD NOW. dont we.

God had her best interest at heart as well as adams. God told adam not to eat from that tree. then adam told her, that God told him not to eat from that tree and it applied to her as well. Adam had eve's best interest at heart.

but yet eve CHOSE to listen to satan. because she allowed herself to entertain a swindler. just for the sake of getting another opinion on the subject matter. this is where we all go wrong in life at times. there are times you do not need to listen to BS wrapped in perfume. its still BS.

so to you and the twism. NO you dont take every single angle into consideration if you know said angle doesn't care about you and yours. and never think you're to smart to be fooled. you're not. you have to live and learn. and doing that may make you lose a few before you learn "ohhh, dont listen to these clowns."

This indian guy speaking on black folks is a CLOWN.
now if he was speaking on his own people back home in india and trying to find out whats going on with those indian men and how they treat their ladies. BY all means listen to the guy. because then he cares about his people. so what he is saying is to HELP/ASSIST. not to demean or use as a tool to prop himself up higher.

@ all this text

son... this was the very first sentence of that first enormous wall of text you posted:

Hold up, Hold Up Coli,

why are we even given this dude pages of responses?

^you don't have a counter for his argument, you are attacking the person instead in an attempt to disqualify his position.

"Theworldismine13" pointed this out right away as well:

but nothing you have said contradicts anything that he said, so therefore its a logical fallacy, an ad hominem attack

it's clear you dont know what a logical fallacy is, let alone that you committed several of them in your unnecessary posts.

this is a good resource to get you started on logical fallacies, so you don't commit these blatant mistakes in the future:

Logical Fallacies» Ad Hominem (Personal Attack)

 

[rapbeats]

@ all this text

son... this was the very first sentence of that first enormous wall of text you posted:



^you don't have a counter for his argument, you are attacking the person instead in an attempt to disqualify his position.

"Theworldismine13" pointed this out right away as well:






it's clear you dont know what a logical fallacy is, let alone that you committed several of them in your unnecessary posts.

this is a good resource to get you started on logical fallacies, so you don't commit these blatant mistakes in the future:

Logical Fallacies» Ad Hominem (Personal Attack)

as stated before. clean up your own house before you worry about others. how can you with a straight face try to talk about black people or even green people. when YOUR people are raping women left and right like its the thing to do. big homie.. go get ya house in order.

BBC News - Six held over India rape of Swiss woman

Police in India's Madhya Pradesh state have arrested six people in connection with the gang rape of a Swiss tourist.

Briton jumps out window to escape attack in India

NEW DELHI (AP) — A British woman traveling in India jumped out of the third-floor window of her hotel room on Tuesday, telling police she feared a sexual attack after the hotel's owner tried to force his way into the room by offering her a massage.

 

[sfgiants]

as stated before. clean up your own house before you worry about others. how can you with a straight face try to talk about black people or even green people. when YOUR people are raping women left and right like its the thing to do. big homie.. go get ya house in order.

BBC News - Six held over India rape of Swiss woman




Briton jumps out window to escape attack in India

this was like a month ago. not entertaining you any further as you clearly are incapable of realizing that posts like "well indians are raping each other" do absolutely nothing to disprove his position, making your mindless posts logical fallacies which are as pointless as someone coming in here talking about buffalo wings or ice skating.

grow up and learn to accept when you're making an ass out of urself.

The Logical Fallacies: Attacking the Person<br>(<i>argumentum ad hominem</i>)
ad hominem attack- attacking the speaker

and

Fallacy: Red Herring
red herring fallacy- introducing irrelevant shyt to the discussion and trying to divert attention from the original issue

you remind me of me when i was like 11.

 

[rapbeats]

this was like a month ago. not entertaining you any further as you clearly are incapable of realizing that posts like "well indians are raping each other" do absolutely nothing to disprove his position, making your mindless posts logical fallacies which are as pointless as someone coming in here talking about buffalo wings or ice skating.

grow up and learn to accept when you're making an ass out of urself.

The Logical Fallacies: Attacking the Person<br>(<i>argumentum ad hominem</i>)
ad hominem attack- attacking the speaker

and

Fallacy: Red Herring
red herring fallacy- introducing irrelevant shyt to the discussion and trying to divert attention from the original issue

you remind me of me when i was like 11.

as stated before. clean up your own house before you worry about others. how can you with a straight face try to talk about black people or even green people. when YOUR people are raping women left and right like its the thing to do. big homie.. go get ya house in order.

BBC News - Six held over India rape of Swiss woman

Police in India's Madhya Pradesh state have arrested six people in connection with the gang rape of a Swiss tourist.

Briton jumps out window to escape attack in India

NEW DELHI (AP) — A British woman traveling in India jumped out of the third-floor window of her hotel room on Tuesday, telling police she feared a sexual attack after the hotel's owner tried to force his way into the room by offering her a massage.

 

[AV Dicey]

this the same guy that wrote an anti obama book where he was basically projecting (Britain does have a 'complicated' relationship with her former colonial subjects, it is what it is), and capitalised on it by turning it into a documentary.

The irony being the suckers who helped him survive the recession are also members of the anti-colonial mindset crew. You know, 'special relationships' and the english language and tea bags and tea parties...it's complicated.

No one ever said Indians are not entrepreneurial tho