Did you like The Last Jedi?

[Marc Spector]

Did those who didn't like it, dislike it because it's a bad movie or because you didn't agree with the choices they made for the characters?
Because it's far from a bad movie. Attack of the Clones is a bad movie.
I should have asked that question too

Including what exactly? I can understand somebody saying they didn't like that it was a long chase or they don't find Canto Bight interesting, but as for the decision to kill Snoke, or Luke dying, or Rey having nobody parents, it happened. It's not up to me I can only accept it and judge it after I accept it. And each time I've watched it I have loved their choices even more. Where as some people were disappointed with Luke, I saw his ending as the most badass jedi shyt ever.

I'm not in here to argue just clarity

Im tired and dont feel like typing a long response. but here goes one anyway

But I hate TLJ because its an abortion of a movie. There was no real plan and all the ideas you see present are a director who wanted to be cute and horrible executive decree.

Individually all the bad ideas in TLJ arent enough to make a bad movie, but holy shyt all of them IN THE SAME MOVIE? Bruh lemme rattle off real quick some of my major issues:

-Rose was annoying AF but i wouldve tolerated her had she had a smoother introduction/character arc. Clear as day she was conceived by the execs with "non traditional kickass female character/love interest" in mind and theres nothing else to her character. I feel sorry for Kelly Marie Tran because Star Wars fans are hateful fukks, but that script gave her nothing to redeem herself with.

-LOL at "lets subvert expectations but tell a story with no real drama!" Like WTF is even the story line with the next movie? the resistance, now The Rebellion (TM) makes their last stand against the First Order? nikka hasn't that been the story for five fukking movies in a row (going by in universe chronology)? ESB left us with Luke shook AF after his battle with Vader, the reveal that Vader is his pops, Han frozen in Carbonite, The Rebellion in taters...this movie has no real drama with the leads and at this point its pretty clear Kylo Ren is going down for good. Why should I watch episode 9?

-Bait and switch with Finn. The ending to TFA was low-key bullshyt as is. But to essential demote the guy who was the heart and soul of TFA to idiot sidekick was unforgivable. Once again, the execs are so up their own ass about Female Empowerment that they had no problem fukking over a Black MALE Character. Oh and "lets pair him with the fat bytch to really show that "non traditionally attractive women can be wanted/keep him away from our STRONG WHITE FEMALE PROTAGONIST WHO DOESNT NEED A MAN"

-The constant subverting to hammer home the point that "THE PAST IS DEAD THIS IS NEW STAR WARS U NERD fukk BOIS"

-Cando Blight. Self explanatory...

-The lack of universe building or scale. nikkas really spent a whole fukking movie with ships in some bullshyt ass Stat Trek/Space Navy style standoff

-Admiral Holdo's retarded ass plan just to hammer home the point of competent female leadership

-Rey is boring as fukk. I cannot stress how much Executive Decree hurt this movie. I give Disney props for wanting to undo the damage they wrought as the creators of "the Princess/fairy tale romance" stories and how it basically ruined countless generations of kids . I GET IT. But goddamn they have butchered pretty much every female character in their new star wars saga because they all are concepts first, characters second. Rey is conceptually a "strong female lead who isnt defined by her relationships with men (another reason why they didnt make her family to anyone famous), is extremely talented in the force and outside of it" ..which is great but theres little to no traits that make her relatable as a character. I really dont know her motivations other than "who were my parents?". I mean shyt if youre gonna make this bytch the centerpiece of your new Star Wars empire, make me care about her and her journey.

I got more, i could think off but im heading to bed. Overall Disney fukked themselves by thinking they could wing. The prequels may have bene over-dramatic trash too reliant on CGI but goddamn at least I felt like they were going somewhere. i felt a sense of a living breathing universe with a central concept/story in mind. The Last jedi thought it cute to drop the easy layup from TFA and it heavily suffers because of the lack of direction/story cohesion.

Disney didnt realize that as flawed as Lucas was, his guiding hand and attitude of letting people create with no agenda was what made Star Wars enjoyable in the first place.

 

[DosCadenaz]

Finn's role could be so much better

He basically went through the same arc as FA.

I loved his self sacrifice scene. I think we're about to witness a beast in IX. But also to be fair it wasn't that long after TFA. I like to think he didn't really grow into who he's gonna be until Crait.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

It's a trip how people who love it wanted to see it go different directions. That's what's causing the real division imo not so much the quality of the films

It’s not trying new things that’s bad. Empire strikes back was very different in tone and themes from a new hope. Aliens was almost and entirely different genre from alien. Terminator 2 was a big action blockbuster compared to the terminator being essentially a slasher flick. The two towers did things very differently from the fellowship of the ring. The difference is that the last Jedi paid no respect to its source material and instead of telling a coherent story that expands on what the previous film did, it throws all that in the dumpster and shyts on all the characters. By the end of the movie, we have a few bumbling idiots and a Mary Sue with no direction to explore as lead characters.

 

[Flex Grossman]

Yes

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

Made Episode 1 and 2 seem like great movies in retrospect.

Anybody who knows me knows I'm a huge SW head, including the prequels/tv shows. Loved Rogue One and really liked Solo.

TFA already had me at how the fans/critics gave a blatant remake a pass like that BUT at least it told a cohesive story and still fit in the SW lore.

TLJ was mostly an abomination to the saga, with some very dope visuals mixed in.

 

[Mr. Negative]

I liked it. Watched it the day after I watched Rogue One. Nice sci-fi 1-2 punch.

It wasn't better than Rogue One, but it was still good.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I liked it for the most part
I'm fine with Luke's arc
I think JJ will fix Rey's parents/background in 9

 

[teacher]

Great CGI, and finn was almost heroic...

 

[Lootpack]

I thought it was better than Force Awakens tbh. It has its problems but I like that Kylo Ren took over and killed Snoke which I felt was going to be a retread of the Vader/Sidious relationship.

The Casino subplot though

I fell asleep during this movie and woke up during the casino scene. Had no idea what the fukk was going on.

 

[Barbados Slim]

Nope saw it once never watched it again first sw movies I never saw twice .

Same. Force Awakens was underwhelming but good, they just stuck to the old formula; Last Jedi was just a bad movie.

 

[Barbados Slim]

@Marc Spector preaching out here and I gotta reply to significant points I agree with breh:

-Rose was annoying AF but i wouldve tolerated her had she had a smoother introduction/character arc. Clear as day she was conceived by the execs with "non traditional kickass female character/love interest" in mind and theres nothing else to her character. I feel sorry for Kelly Marie Tran because Star Wars fans are hateful fukks, but that script gave her nothing to redeem herself with.

Real talk, she gonna get a world of hate cause of poor writing - just like what happened to Ahmed Best with Jar Jar. Just the other day there was an article about her leaving social media cause of these Star Wars fukkboys! Kelly Marie Tran Speaks Out About Online Harassment: ‘I Won’t Be Marginalized’

ESB left us with Luke shook AF after his battle with Vader, the reveal that Vader is his pops, Han frozen in Carbonite, The Rebellion in taters...this movie has no real drama with the leads and at this point its pretty clear Kylo Ren is going down for good. Why should I watch episode 9?

Word what am I supposed to be eager to see?!

-Bait and switch with Finn. The ending to TFA was low-key bullshyt as is. But to essential demote the guy who was the heart and soul of TFA to idiot sidekick was unforgivable. Once again, the execs are so up their own ass about Female Empowerment that they had no problem fukking over a Black MALE Character. Oh and "lets pair him with the fat bytch to really show that "non traditionally attractive women can be wanted/keep him away from our STRONG WHITE FEMALE PROTAGONIST WHO DOESNT NEED A MAN"

Agreed. I was so down with Rey as the female lead, it was obvious what they were doing in TFA, but this movie took into a direction that didn't feel right.

-Rey is boring as fukk. I cannot stress how much Executive Decree hurt this movie. I give Disney props for wanting to undo the damage they wrought as the creators of "the Princess/fairy tale romance" stories and how it basically ruined countless generations of kids . I GET IT. But goddamn they have butchered pretty much every female character in their new star wars saga because they all are concepts first, characters second. Rey is conceptually a "strong female lead who isnt defined by her relationships with men (another reason why they didnt make her family to anyone famous), is extremely talented in the force and outside of it" ..which is great but theres little to no traits that make her relatable as a character. I really dont know her motivations other than "who were my parents?". I mean shyt if youre gonna make this bytch the centerpiece of your new Star Wars empire, make me care about her and her journey.

 

[Sir Charles Barkley]

it was more of a disney product than a movie.

mandate:

- remake scenes from empire and jedi
- emphasize female empowerment
- throw in cute animals

movie was just thrown together with no thought put it into it. it’s an assembly line movie

 

[mastermind]

I liked it a lot and don’t understand why people are upset over it. It’s along the same quality of the first trilogy and I think people take those too serious. I say this as someone who watched the movies later in my life versus as a ten year old.

 

[Wavy Hair Chipped Teeth]

When I watched it the first time I liked it, despite some flaws. But it has ZERO replay value
Tried to watch it again and realized I had no reason to ever see it again in whole. The Kylo/Rey team-up scene and the Luke hologram scene are basically all this movie is good for. I guess Yoda scene is cool too

 

[Monoblock]

Last Jedi...good..