Did slave breeding actually exist?

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The words of black folk are always meagre to demons. They need not only a white co sign, but a co sign that absolves the sins of their ancestors.

The rest are just emasculated c00ns.

Slaveowners kept records of slaves bought and sold; their gender ; their origin; their rough appearance; their characteristics related to work and business, and more. So why didn't the same slavemasters keep records of any slave breeding program they fostered? Because the vast majority of them did not do any specific slave breeding. They did not do this because they did not have the knowledge. Furthermore they did not have the coordination to breed for slave traits across several generations and across the entire AA group. To assume otherwise borders on absurd.
 

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I don't live in Ohio. I'm from there...I've lived in damn near every major city in the US and now I live in Toronto. DC, NYC, Bmore, Pg County, West Palm Beach, San Antonio, Miami, Columbus, Rochester...and even Stuttgart, germany. My life in 3 years is your lifetime. We're all mixed. Black is our ethnic group and race. We are descended from subsaharan africans...but we are not all the way them. You mad?

Speak for yourself, loser.Black is not an "ethnic group"; it is a race. The mixed one is you. Anyone that does not look black is not black - and the sub saharan African look is the original man prototype.
 

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Atl, Ga by way of Alabama
He enjoyed these orgies
very much and often entertained his friends in this manner; quite often he and his guests would engage in
these debaucheries, choosing for themselves the prettiest of the young women. Sometimes they forced the
unhappy husbands and lovers of their victims to look on.

White people:wow:
 

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i really don't know how much of revisionist cac history to believe :francis: need some black truths
 
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BUT BUT TWO White men say it isn't true!





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Cant believe what im reading. That "meager evidence" they're dismissing is the words directly from the mouths slaves that experienced the slave breeding

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On Slaveholders' Sexual Abuse of Slaves, Selections for 19th and 20th century Slave Narratives

On Slaveholders’ Sexual Abuse of Slaves ∎

Selections from 19th- & 20th-century Slave Narrative

Dey uster [used to] take women away fum dere husbands an’ put
wid some other man to breed jes’ like dey would do cattle. Dey always kept a man penned up an’ dey
used ’im like a stud hoss.

WILLIAM WARD, enslaved in Georgia, interviewed 1937 [WPA Slave Narrative Project]


Durin’ slavery if one marster had a big boy en ’nuther had a big gal de marsters made dem libe
tergedder. Ef’n de ’oman didn’t hab any chilluns, she wuz put on de block en sold en ’nuther ’oman
bought. You see dey raised de chilluns ter mek money on jes lak we raise pigs ter sell.

SYLVIA WATKINS, enslaved in Tennessee, interviewed ca. 1937 [WPA Slave Narrative Project]




[Interviewer’s summary] On this plantation were more than 100 slaves who were mated indiscrimi-
nately and without any regard for family unions. If their master thought that a certain man and woman
might have strong, healthy offspring, he forced them to have sexual relation, even though they were
married to other slaves. If there seemed to be any slight reluctance on the part of either of the unfortunate
ones, “Big Jim” would make them consummate this relationship in his presence. He used the same
procedure if he thought a certain couple was not producing children fast enough. He enjoyed these orgies
very much and often entertained his friends in this manner; quite often he and his guests would engage in
these debaucheries, choosing for themselves the prettiest of the young women. Sometimes they forced the
unhappy husbands and lovers of their victims to look on.
Louisa and Sam were married in a very revolting manner. To quote [Louisa]:
“Marse Jim called me and Sam ter him and ordered Sam to pull off his shirt - that was all the
McClain ******s wore - and he said to me: Nor, ‘do you think you can stand this big ******?’ He had
that old bull whip flung acrost his shoulder, and Lawd, that man could hit so hard! So I jes said ‘yassur, I
guess so,’ and tried to hide my face so I couldn’t see Sam’s nakedness, but he made me look at him
anyhow.”
“Well, he told us what we must git busy and do in his presence, and we had to do it. After that we
were considered man and wife. Me and Sam was a healthy pair and had fine, big babies, so I never had
another man forced on me, thank God. Sam was kind to me and I learnt to love him.”

SAM & LOUISA EVERETT, enslaved in Virginia, interviewed 1936 [WPA Slave Narrative Project]



If a hand were noted for raising up strong black bucks, bucks that would never “let the monkey get
them” while in the high-noon hoeing, he would be sent out as a species of circuit-rider to the other
plantations - to plantations where there was over-plus of “worthless young ****** gals.” There he would
be “married off” again - time and again. This was thrifty and saved any actual purchase of new stock.

JOHN COLE, enslaved in Georgia, interviewed 1937, as paraphrased by the interviewer [WPA Slave Narrative Project]


He had so many slaves he did not know all their names. His fortune was his slaves. He did not sell
slaves and he did not buy many, the last ten years preceding the war. He resorted to raising his own
slaves. . . .
. . . A slave girl was expected to have children as soon as she became a woman. Some of them had
children at the age of twelve and thirteen years old. . . .
Mother said there were cases where these young girls loved someone else and would have to receive
the attentions of men of the master’s choice. This was a general custom. . . The masters called themselves
Christians, went to church worship regularly and yet allowed this condition to exist.

HILLIARD YELLERDAY, enslaved in North Carolina, interviewed ca. 1937 [WPA Slave Narrative Project]


and though you dont believe her
Ex-slave Maggie Stenhouse remarked, "Durin' slavery there were stockmen. They was weighed and tested. A man would rent the stockman and put him in a room with some young women he wanted to raise children from.

I really wonder about the intelligence level of the average America..... :smh: No one denied that it occurred... the discussion is to what extent and the tangible benefits...

And then you bring up the point about white scholar findings,,,,, when this was completely sponsored and published by white dollars..... :childplease:
 

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itt we dismiss dozens of documented accounts of slave breeding from slaves and owners, with no proof, because we dont want to believe cacs did mean things

NO ONE has argued that slave breeding "never happened". Everyone who has applied even a tiny bit of historical research or mere logic has explained why it would have had no meaningful effect.



Why would they not? Every single crop and farm animal has been selectively bred to be what it is today.

Them motherfukkers had centuries to do whatever they wanted with our ancestors. What would stop them? Morals?

The fact that humans take 15 years to mature while most crops/farm animals take 1-2, and the fact that most people own thousands of plants or hundreds of animals but only a few owned more than a handful of slaves.

You can get 30 generations of corn, selected from tens of thousands of plants, in 30 years.

You can get 30 generations of sheep, selected from a herd of hundreds, in 30 years.

You can get TWO generations of people selected from the handful available to you, in that time.

That's the logistic issue with this whole thing. You can't do anything worthwhile in breeding in two generations. And no one serious believes there was any sort of coordination over hundreds of years like you need in a successful breeding program - hell, even if they coordinated this shyt for 150 years, that's only TEN generations tops, which ain't shyt in selective breeding. And it would have only affected a tiny % of the Black population - to suggest that the entire South was coordinating in some grand program, or that ANY large-scale, properly coordinated program was going on, is simply absurd.

No one's denying that they didn't try it here and there. But it would have been functionally meaningless, especially with another 150 years of mixing since then.



Where's all the pure African NFL and NBA cats? There's a reason that black Americans totally dominate in this arena.

What % of Black Americans have African ancestry?

Why is it that so many African cats in the USA do succeed at bball? :mjpls:

Of course there's hardly any guys straight from Africa - they don't have elite training programs there and basketball isn't the main sport in hardly any African countries. But considering how low a % of the US population is direct African immigrants, there are a LOT of those making it to the NBA.
 

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NO ONE has argued that slave breeding "never happened". Everyone who has applied even a tiny bit of historical research or mere logic has explained why it would have had no meaningful effect.
i've seen plenty of people in here saying it either didn't happen or happened in only select instances
whether it worked or not doen't mean they didn't do it, i myself dont think slave owners were scientists or had access to the knowledge we do to know it wouldn't work
 

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i've seen plenty of people in here saying it either didn't happen or happened in only select instances
whether it worked or not doen't mean they didn't do it, i myself dont think slave owners were scientists or had access to the knowledge we do to know it wouldn't work

They didn't have access to the knowledge that it takes 15 years for a human being to grow up?


Other than that I agree with you. The fact that pretty much the only farmers to try it would have been the ignorant ones makes it even more likely that nothing significant ever would have happened. The only thing they would have tried would have been to get as many babies as possible, however they turned out.
 

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Other than that I agree with you. The fact that pretty much the only farmers to try it would have been the ignorant ones makes it even more likely that nothing significant ever would have happened. The only thing they would have tried would have been to get as many babies as possible, however they turned out.
i dont think they bred any super negroes, i think they were bred for numbers and some trying to create better slaves
they did alot of evil things during slavery, deranged slave masters forcing slaves to breed, thinking they would get bigger slaves isn't outlandish to me, idk why we're applying being knowledgeable of genetics to these people
 
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