Did slave breeding actually exist?

[Samori Toure]

LOL, you need to do a little more research. The number one reason why natives weren't as useful is because they were....NATIVES!!! They knew the land, they knew where to go, and where not to go. They could escape because they knew where to go. Also, nobody stuck out as much as africans with their unique features. That aided in slave masters keeping track of them.

Not only that, but Native Americans were by and large not farmers. They were hunter gatherers mostly.

Africans were by and large farmers. They were use to working the soil and they had other skills like blacksmithing, wood working, leather working, pottery and iron working. White people knew about Black peoples agricultural skills, because they had traded with Africans for a very long time. So once the Whites learned which Africans were warring against each other; the White man paid for the war captives and made them slaves.

This stuff is pretty straight forward, but there are some crazy notions in this thread.

 

[Kobe24]

LOL, you need to do a little more research. The number one reason why natives weren't as useful is because they were....NATIVES!!! They knew the land, they knew where to go, and where not to go. They could escape because they knew where to go. Also, nobody stuck out as much as africans with their unique features. That aided in slave masters keeping track of them.

Captive Passage - Arrival: Life in the Americas

In the silver mines of South America, as much as 100,000 metric tons of silver were produced between 1500 and 1800. One of the most famous South American mines was located on the mountain of Potosi, in the nation of Bolivia. Potosi produced great amounts of silver that provided enormous wealth for Spain.

The Native Americans, or Indians as the Spaniards called them, were put to work, mining the land. The Spanish encountered problems using Indians as slaves. They found the Indians could not handle the heavy labor that was required to work in the mines. They also had little resistance to European diseases such as smallpox and typhus, and they began to die by the thousands.

Enslaved Africans were put work in the mines to replace the Indians. Spanish records show more and more Africans were requested and that the Spaniards considered Africans to be essential in the operation of the mines. Africans were rewarded by their hard work and received special privileges the Indians did not get, such as the right to carry weapons and wear European clothing.

Miners would work from dawn to dusk, and it is estimated that the average working life of a miner was six to eight years. They were subjected to hard labor in dark, poorly ventilated tunnels and exposed to the dangers of cave-ins, floods, fires, and explosions. Despite the working conditions, Africans preferred mining to plantation work. Miners were allowed more freedom of movement, and they received rations of tobacco and brandy. They had opportunities to enrich themselves as well. Mine owners often allowed slaves to prospect for themselves once they met a certain quota. By such means, many mine workers were able to purchase their freedom. Some migrated to cities where they found new trades, but many remained in the mining areas and continued to work as independent prospectors.

 

[Knuckles Red]

Captive Passage - Arrival: Life in the Americas

In the silver mines of South America, as much as 100,000 metric tons of silver were produced between 1500 and 1800. One of the most famous South American mines was located on the mountain of Potosi, in the nation of Bolivia. Potosi produced great amounts of silver that provided enormous wealth for Spain.

The Native Americans, or Indians as the Spaniards called them, were put to work, mining the land. The Spanish encountered problems using Indians as slaves. They found the Indians could not handle the heavy labor that was required to work in the mines. They also had little resistance to European diseases such as smallpox and typhus, and they began to die by the thousands.

Enslaved Africans were put work in the mines to replace the Indians. Spanish records show more and more Africans were requested and that the Spaniards considered Africans to be essential in the operation of the mines. Africans were rewarded by their hard work and received special privileges the Indians did not get, such as the right to carry weapons and wear European clothing.

Miners would work from dawn to dusk, and it is estimated that the average working life of a miner was six to eight years. They were subjected to hard labor in dark, poorly ventilated tunnels and exposed to the dangers of cave-ins, floods, fires, and explosions. Despite the working conditions, Africans preferred mining to plantation work. Miners were allowed more freedom of movement, and they received rations of tobacco and brandy. They had opportunities to enrich themselves as well. Mine owners often allowed slaves to prospect for themselves once they met a certain quota. By such means, many mine workers were able to purchase their freedom. Some migrated to cities where they found new trades, but many remained in the mining areas and continued to work as independent prospectors.

K.

 

[Beck.er.]

Not breeding like what is done with livestock, or prize race horses and breed dogs. No slave breeding farms. And not eugenics programs. But maybe sometimes policies favoring establishing families and being fertile. But those practices had multiple aims past simply getting more slave bodies (believed more women and more families created greater stability) and the average enslaved black woman started having children later in life (than white) and practices that prevented or terminated pregnancy were widely suspected. That we had a significant baby boom after emancipation supports the argument that enslaved black women had indeed been deliberately limiting/avoiding pregnancy to an extent, what slaveholders would've considered robbing them of their 'natural increase'.

Slave breeding in the United States were those practices of slave ownership that aimed to influence the reproduction of slaves in order to increase the wealth of slaveholders.[1]

Slave breeding included coerced sexual relations between male and female slaves, promoting pregnancies of slaves, sexual relations between master and slave with the aim of producing slave children, and favoring female slaves who produced a relatively large number of children.[1]

The purpose of slave breeding was to produce new slaves without incurring the cost of purchase, to fill labor shortages caused by the termination of the Atlantic slave trade.

Robert Fogel and Stanley Engerman dismiss the idea of systematic slave breeding in their 1995 book Time on the Cross.[12] They argue that there is very meager evidence for the systematic breeding of slaves for sale in the market in the Upper South during the 19th century. They distinguish systematic breeding—the interference in normal sexual patterns by masters with an aim to increase fertility or encourage desirable characteristics—from pro-natalist policies—the generalized encouragement of large families through a combination of rewards, improved living and working conditions for fertile women and their children, and other policy changes by masters. They point out that the demographic evidence is subject to a number of interpretations. The reports from witnesses are apocryphal in that they never specify any particular place in which breeding practices were alleged to have taken place. No surviving plantation records detail any such attempt.

Slave breeding in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[LoveDeluxe]

I swear, these young nikkas on this board never fail to amaze me with their lack of knowledge of themselves and their own history. Oh, whatever they need to do to be able to keep "pawging."

I need that strong buck here to breed with this mammy. Why would they purchase and move slaves for their muscular qualities? Why were we on auction blocks being examined like horses? Are y'all dense, very young, or trolling?

 

[Kobe24]

Not breeding like what is done with livestock, or prize race horses and breed dogs. No slave breeding farms. And not eugenics programs. But maybe sometimes policies favoring establishing families and being fertile. But those practices had multiple aims past simply getting more slave bodies (believed more women and more families created greater stability) and the average enslaved black woman started having children later in life (than white) and practices that prevented or terminated pregnancy were widely suspected. That we had a significant baby boom after emancipation supports the argument that enslaved black women had indeed been deliberately limiting/avoiding pregnancy to an extent, what slaveholders would've considered robbing them of their 'natural increase'.



Slave breeding in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some people refuse to believe that it was beyond the white man to breed slaves. Like whites were too nice to slave breed.

 

[How Sway?]

LOL, you need to do a little more research. The number one reason why natives weren't as useful is because they were....NATIVES!!! They knew the land, they knew where to go, and where not to go. They could escape because they knew where to go. Also, nobody stuck out as much as africans with their unique features. That aided in slave masters keeping track of them.

yeah this was another reason I forgot to add.

 

[How Sway?]

@Akan/Igbo is takingover this thread

 

[Beck.er.]

Humans reproduce too slowly for 'mass production' and our progeny require more intensive and extended care. Much greater investment in time, energy, resources, emotions, psychology than lesser mammals. And we don't often produce multiples. Nothing on the level of cats, dogs, pigs, rabbits, etc.

Reproduction and physical/sexual also take too long for selecting traits in humans. It takes generations upon generations to do it in animals that can give birth to multiple offspring at least once a year. (Even in so called primitive societies pregnancies are spread out. 2-3 years between kids so its not like women have one kid for each year they are fertile. Plus you have to wait a good 12-16 years for a human to start successfully reproducing.) And the populations are large enough to have disposable members that can be culled or neutered/spayed. Dog breeders can end up with successions of "throw away" litters before they even get the right animals/traits to reproduce the certified breed dogs for sale.

 

[Beck.er.]

Some people refuse to believe that it was beyond the white man to breed slaves. Like whites were too nice to slave breed.

They didn't have the scientific knowledge or technology. They were having trouble enough with plant and animal husbandry or the concept of over farming and leaving fields fallow like African and Native societies had been doing before Euros invaded (dumbasses depleted Virginia's soil before their Revolutionary War was even over). Couldn't even figure out not to put outhouses near their homes and wells and upstream from their damn drinking water.

Some sure did do a variety of scientific experiments on enslaved blacks. If they had had even the beginning knowledge of altering human behavior and physical traits through genetics or human fertility with drugs and IVF type stuff they woulda been all over it. They were never even close to having the logistical infrastructure or financial stability for such endeavors.

It was beyond their capabilities, not their morals.

 

[Beck.er.]

Slavery lasted the longest in the states, the selective breeding program was advanced, and American Science was way ahead of the rest of the world

No
This is a just a basic fact, in the New World:
Puerto Rico 1873
Cuba 1886
Brazil 1888

Virginia Colony received African captives over a century after the trade began in other colonies. 1619-1865 ('66 for Indian territories that are now states)
Compared to:
DR 1503-1822
Haiti 1505-1801
Cuba 1513-1886
Honduras 1526-1824
Ecuador 1526-1851
Jamaica 1518-1854
El Salvador 1521-1824
Brazil 1501-1856(officially) (reality, 1888)

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Yes.

West Virginia Legislative Hand Book and Manual and Official Register

Black History | Breeding American Slaves

Slave breeding in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

you should read your own links......

 

[NERO]

you should read your own links......

Slave accounts said it happened. It happened. You should talk down to someone else, a$$hole.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Slave accounts said it happened. It happened. You should talk down to someone else, a$$hole.

none of those links had any accounts.......

 

[NERO]

none of those links had any accounts.......

The historian E. Franklin Frazier, in his book The Negro Family, stated that "there were masters who, without any regard for the preferences of their slaves, mated their human chattel as they did their stock." Ex-slave Maggie Stenhouse remarked, "Durin' slavery there were stockmen. They was weighed and tested. A man would rent the stockman and put him in a room with some young women he wanted to raise children from."[9]
You're fukking with the wrong guy. Move along.