Did Portugal have the biggest fall-off in Colonial history?

[cole phelps]

Breh I work with a lot of filipina/ filipino and indian nurses and when they're speaking their languages I'm like . Filipinos/Filipinas are the most friendly east asians though.

I think Afrikaans should be added to that list as well

 

[richaveli83]

I really do think black people globally had it worse particularly because we were actually in contention for the global crown during several time periods(Egypt, Carthage, moors, Mali, Swahili, etc) in history . Due to their isolation, natives (on both continents) were never in the game for the global crown. Black people were a much much different story. We had a legit chance.


And even tho they are both tragic, the fall of a prince is a much greater tragedy than that of a commoner because of the different distance to the ground.


@Henri Christophe, any thoughts on the above response?

I don't really like to get into the oppression olympics but I might have to give the edge to Native Americans since the majority were wiped out. I've never met a legit full blooded native American in my life. Obviously I've met a bunch of people who claimed to be part indian which a lot of times is bullshyt but never ever met a true native American. Yeah they got casinos but it's not benefiting the masses of them and their land was taken and they were forced to live on reservations.

Regardless the damn white man fukked up every non white man in some form or fashion worldwide.

 

[brandy]

This chart is about Trans Atlantic slavery. America perfected homegrown slavery after the "ban" on picking up enslaved people off the shores of Africa.

I know that Spain bought alot of their slaves from Portugal too, but I'm genuinely surprised that Portugal was the biggest slavery nation. I would've picked Britain or France if asked, and this is with knowledge of Brazil's history and all taken into account.

And that chart is about the Africans that embarked in Africa, Spain wasn't really going in there like that, they were buying their slaves from other Europeans for the most part.

I think that's showing the countries that owned the ships and were the ones trading, not the destination of the slaves.

After a wave of deregulation policies towards maritime commerce pertaining to slavery, different empires such as Spain, France, etc started to trade enslaved people with one another. Some nations would actually have ongoing wars yet business interests didn’t care about national conflict because profits superseded everything.

Folks assume the US numbers should be higher, but Britain had inter-colonial migrations of enslaved people, as well as France and Spain. An enslaved person, in their lifetime, could have been enslaved in Dutch fort, traveled on a Spanish ship, worked on a sugar plantation in Barbados, and died in upstate New York after serving as domestic enslaved person. I think slave voyages goes by national shop registry, not actual destinations. A slave ship chartered by Britain would go to W.Africa, the islands, and finally stop in the US. Slave voyage would only count Brit, despite the ship ending in the US. Same with France. Le Harve > Martinique > New Orleans. It would only count France.

Lastly, slave voyages is a good resources, but doesn’t fully account for amount of people travelled, nor enslaved in the West African forts. It only counts what THEY put on paper.Piracy and tax fraud is extremely common, and distorts the full numbers of victims.

 

[cole phelps]

I don't really like to get into the oppression olympics but I might have to give the edge to Native Americans since the majority were wiped out. I've never met a legit full blooded native American in my life. Obviously I've met a bunch of people who claimed to be part indian which a lot of times is bullshyt but never ever met a true native American. Yeah they got casinos but it's not benefiting the masses of them and their land was taken and they were forced to live on reservations.

Regardless the damn white man fukked up every non white man in some form or fashion worldwide.

I'll give the natives credit though they put up a hell of a fight the plains/South American Indians were some fierce fighters and them English cacs almost got wiped out quite a few times during the 1600s

 

[Caca-faat]

What about the Ottoman Empire. At least Portugal still exists

The ottoman empire fell in the 1920s they had a near 700 year run. Enslavement via long haul sea farers began because they (the ottomans) were charting the sky's and mapping the stars and making almanacs as taught by Moorish scholars. The Ottoman empire began at a similar time as the Moorish occupation of Spain.

Western Europe could've been a muslim domain if it wasnt for the battle of tours. Led by black (Moorish) generals if it means anything.


Also the Portuguese empire were an empire of swordsmen at its infancy, the British rolled through with a full blown Navy and cannons.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

I’m chillin in Portugal right now

 

[Caca-faat]

After a wave of deregulation policies towards maritime commerce pertaining to slavery, different empires such as Spain, France, etc started to trade enslaved people with one another. Some nations would actually have ongoing wars yet business interests didn’t care about national conflict because profits superseded everything.

Folks assume the US numbers should be higher, but Britain had inter-colonial migrations of enslaved people, as well as France and Spain. An enslaved person, in their lifetime, could have been enslaved in Dutch fort, traveled on a Spanish ship, worked on a sugar plantation in Barbados, and died in upstate New York after serving as domestic enslaved person. I think slave voyages goes by national shop registry, not actual destinations. A slave ship chartered by Britain would go to W.Africa, the islands, and finally stop in the US. Slave voyage would only count Brit, despite the ship ending in the US. Same with France. Le Harve > Martinique > New Orleans. It would only count France.

Lastly, slave voyages is a good resources, but doesn’t fully account for amount of people travelled, nor enslaved in the West African forts. It only counts what THEY put on paper.Piracy and tax fraud is extremely common, and distorts the full numbers of victims.

Dont forget insurance fraud. Insurance fraud was huuuuuugggeeee business.
Also tonnes of ppl were thrown overboard because they were sick or injured and wouldnt fetch as much profit. Or if the ships weren't allowed to dock at port they would just sink the mofo and claim insurance because the ppl were dropping like flies on board.

After the British Criminalised trans Atlantic slavery they would just steal enslaved people off of Portuguese or Spanish ships because TECHNICALLY they werent breaking the law.

 

[Nomad1]

all i know is somalia beat portugal in a war...... twice sent them back to the caves they came from

 

[brandy]

Dont forget insurance fraud. Insurance fraud was huuuuuugggeeee business.
Also tonnes of ppl were thrown overboard because they were sick or injured and wouldnt fetch as much profit. Or if the ships weren't allowed to dock at port they would just sink the mofo and claim insurance because the ppl were dropping like flies on board.

After the British Criminalised trans Atlantic slavery they would just steal enslaved people off of Portuguese or Spanish ships because TECHNICALLY they werent breaking the law.

Basically, the founding of America.


Most of the "brits" or thieves who desired to continue slavery migrated or lived within the US.

 

[Threnody]

they quiet bc they dont wanna pay reparations

I hate how they hide behind the nations it was the same people running it regardless
Portugal = "Portuguese" Sephardic Jews
Netherlands = "Dutch" Sephardic Jews
ect. ect. ect.

 

[Ziploc]

I would say the British empire is still well respected and well connected.

The Spanish & Dutch = bum ass nikkas

You should read up on some economics but I guess the jokes would land different.

 

[Jahbarri]

No; still one of the wealthiest countries in the world, despite being largely irrelevant.

Drugs legal in Portugal

 

[JadeB]

I don't really like to get into the oppression olympics but I might have to give the edge to Native Americans since the majority were wiped out. I've never met a legit full blooded native American in my life. Obviously I've met a bunch of people who claimed to be part indian which a lot of times is bullshyt but never ever met a true native American. Yeah they got casinos but it's not benefiting the masses of them and their land was taken and they were forced to live on reservations.

Regardless the damn white man fukked up every non white man in some form or fashion worldwide.

Where do you live? I met a few full blooded Natives here in the Southwest

 

[BossmanChad]

Portugal has been on the decline since the late 17th century. Once Britain and the other powers got interested in the slave trade they were pushed aside.

Today they are the poorest country in western Europe.

 

[BossmanChad]

they quiet bc they dont wanna pay reparations

They don't have money to pay any reparations