"Detroit", 2017 Kathryn Bigelow film on the Detroit Riots

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I think I'm lucky I went into this movie without context, because I really enjoyed it. Some of it seemed contrived and I thought "this couldn't have gone down that way, lemme look it up" but nope - a lot of it did.

I'm particularly lucky I didn't go in knowing about all the controversies around black female representation, interracial relationships and the white female director. I'm reading this review (see: Detroit Movie Review & Film Summary (2017) | Roger Ebert) about how she ran out in tears because the movie had no soul and was directed by a white woman who couldn't possibly ever understand a fraction of it. And I'm honestly wondering if she could really sense the movie was "soulless", or if she went in already feeling some type of way about the director choice.

I just keep wondering if Ava Duvernay directed the same script/film what would the opinion be? Guess we'll never know. Or maybe it's not possible that the product would even be close to the same.
 

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I think I'm lucky I went into this movie without context, because I really enjoyed it. Some of it seemed contrived and I thought "this couldn't have gone down that way, lemme look it up" but nope - a lot of it did.

I'm particularly lucky I didn't go in knowing about all the controversies around black female representation, interracial relationships and the white female director. I'm reading this review (see: Detroit Movie Review & Film Summary (2017) | Roger Ebert) about how she ran out in tears because the movie had no soul and was directed by a white woman who couldn't possibly ever understand a fraction of it. And I'm honestly wondering if she could really sense the movie was "soulless", or if she went in already feeling some type of way about the director choice.

I just keep wondering if Ava Duvernay directed the same script/film what would the opinion be? Guess we'll never know. Or maybe it's not possible that the product would even be close to the same.

There were a bunch of people that didn't want to see Selma either. They respected the craftsmanship that went into making the film and the performances, but a LOT of black folks are just tired of films centered on black folks being oppressed/tortured/enslaved.

Even the reviews for the film that are positive are saying it's a hard film to watch and that the movie have you leaving the theater angry and feeling drained. If white people are coming away feeling emotionally troubled and drained from the film how the hell do you think black folks are going to feel about it?
 

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If white people are coming away feeling emotionally troubled and drained from the film how the hell do you think black folks are going to feel about it?
Oh I agree with you 100%. I was emotional about the movie myself. It just seems like that particular reviewer and a whole bunch of people are emotional about the controversies around the movie (the white female directory, black female representation, interracial relationships).

That's why I'm happy I went in with a clean slate - not knowing about this meta commentary about it. Cause it would've colored my viewing experience sitting in there thinking "Hmmm...well there really isn't any prominent black women...should there be?"
 

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Saw it last night

hard to sit here and write and say that I "liked" it, simply because what is there really to like about seeing an injustice against your people portrayed on screen?

but it was a POWERFUL piece of cinema for sure which I rate damn near a 10.

like some have said, I was not familiar with this story in American history, so i had no context whatsoever. At minimum I learned that part of history and appreciate that. I sat there and got angry/mad/frustrated at all the parts that I feel I was supposed to react that way towards. To back up for a second, i DEFINITELY appreciated how she opened the movie with the history lesson re: the Great Migration/White Flight. Important to lay that groundwork broadly in telling this story, even if it didn't get into the specific details how it affected Detroit; truthfully it was the same script in all the cities that suffered through rioting based on racial tensions.

To address the "horror" movie topic I will say this: You can't be black in America and at times NOT feel like your existence isn't something out of a horror movie. Real talk. No this movie isn't horror like "Get Out", but by the time we get to the epicenter of the movie, the nitty gritty between the officers, and the people in that hotel. It was horrifying, there is just really no other way to put it.

This IMO is where Bigelow won. The wrap up at the end explained via text that there were varying accounts about what (really) happened that night in that hotel, and the story was put together based on a number of accounts but (and let me be very clear when I say this): AS A FILMMAKER SHE MADE IT VERY CLEAR IN HER MIND WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT, AND IT DID NOT PAINT THE POLICE AS GOOD GUYS BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION!

She didn't make this movie, and put a white savior in it, she didn't make these pigs in any way sympathetic, and showed throughout the movie how THE SYSTEM is stacked vs Black folks, and works in favor of whites on all levels. Now maybe there are a bunch of us that don't need to see a movie to reinforce this; i get that. But she could have easily taken those accounts and somehow turned some of those pigs into 'good guys', and present a story that showed both sides of how it went down so as to leave the viewer feeling like, "well the cops were wrong, but i understand how they made their choices"....NO that's not what she did. The story unfortunately played out exactly how all these police involved killing of black men & women plays out in my head but never get the conclusive proof, because these guys already have their stories together (he reached for my gun, I felt threatened, etc.)

Also the notion that black women were erased from the movie, is the most nonsensical dispute with the movie. I'll admit when i first saw the trailer, I got a bit caught up in that hype and even posted that maybe earlier in this thread. But now having seen it, in terms of the flashpoint of the story, black women weren't necessary for that, and dare i say if they were included....let's just say the way these cops were, they probably would have done unspeakable things to them, that I don't think any of us really needed to see which would have opened up another controversy. Black women were in the film, trust; they were not critical to the movie's central story. Reading homegirl's tweet and review, I'll bet she had that written before she even saw the movie. Amazing..The movie was far from police brutality porn. Never felt exploitative to me, and certainly not like a Tarantino flick where he's dropping N-bombs just to drop them, or any of the slave movies that wash/rinse/repeat whips and chains. The movie isn't pretty for sure, but it definitely wasn't 'soulless'.

Really loved the way it was shot too. Doesn't look like a movie that was made in 2017, but in 1967.

I learned some history last night, that otherwise I would not have.
 

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The movie has been promoted since day one as being about the Detroit riots. If that were the case it would have been fukked up if there was little to no black female representation. The movie is actually about what happened at the Algiers motel, the riots are just a backdrop to everything.

So in a way the marketing team brought that specific bit of controversy onto themselves.

It'd be like if someone made a film called L.A. and promoted as being about the L.A. Riots, but it was really about Reginald Denny being assaulted.
 

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Honestly, the trailers are poorly cut, I saw them in the Pac movie, and I had little interest. I didn't realize it was Bigelow, who is pretty much must see, and also the context of the movie, which is a lesser known atrocity that happened during the riots. Plan to see over the weekend.

@Da Rhythm Rebel, from her interview in the NY Times this week, making it a parallel to the recent killings, was exactly her intention, and how these things haven't changed.
 

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There were a bunch of people that didn't want to see Selma either. They respected the craftsmanship that went into making the film and the performances, but a LOT of black folks are just tired of films centered on black folks being oppressed/tortured/enslaved.

Even the reviews for the film that are positive are saying it's a hard film to watch and that the movie have you leaving the theater angry and feeling drained. If white people are coming away feeling emotionally troubled and drained from the film how the hell do you think black folks are going to feel about it?

Me and my girl talked about this. We are tired of seeing pretty much "Historical" torture Porn. I`d rather see a film about Elijah Muhammad, Marcus Garvey, etc etc or even a Fictional story about something along those lines.
 

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Honestly, the trailers are poorly cut, I saw them in the Pac movie, and I had little interest. I didn't realize it was Bigelow, who is pretty much must see, and also the context of the movie, which is a lesser known atrocity that happened during the riots. Plan to see over the weekend.

@Da Rhythm Rebel, from her interview in the NY Times this week, making it a parallel to the recent killings, was exactly her intention, and how these things haven't changed.

Which again, explains why black critics are having more negative reactions to the film. It's very much a movie by and for white people to give spark a empathy within them from a safe distance. For us it's like paying to watch one of those vids that go viral of cops murdering black people.
 

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Which again, explains why black critics are having more negative reactions to the film. It's very much a movie by and for white people to give spark a empathy within them from a safe distance. For us it's like paying to watch one of those vids that go viral of cops murdering black people.

Respectfully disagree with the last part of what you said. I didn't find it exploitive like I was paying to watch black bodies get brutalized but as a story that needed to be told and it's up to the viewer to come away with what they take away. The real main character's story was the anchor IMO for us to latch on to.

Not too different from "Fruitvale Station"
 

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Detroit showed us what it was like to live in the warzone that was the late 60's and really what we're still living in now today...There was no pandering...no saviours.. Just the horror we as black folk feel under a system that tells you that have no choice and if you dare buck the beast you better be prepared to die fighting him... Medgar Evers '63..Malcolm '65... MLK '68..Fred Hampton+Mark Clark '69...Kent State '70...etc etc
 

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The ashy brothas and sistas response to this film is staggering.

How many of you even knew of the Algiers motel murders? I can sort of understand using the criticisms of this movie from that crowd from something like Fruitvale Station, but this story was not widely known at all.

Some of you brehs just can't be pleased.
 

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That first 30 minutes drove me crazy.Almost walked the fukk out.After that it was a decent.Maybe it's because my family lived through it that has me disappointed.

But seriously fukk that first act.
 
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I thought the movie was pretty good, but the first 15-20 mins were HORRIBLE. So many jump cuts it would make the Bourne series cringe.
 

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Propaganda film. First, it basically makes us look like we started rioting because white folks wouldn't let us party in peace, then, they spent over an hour literally terrorizing us. Singing, begging, pleading for our lives.

On top of that, everyone else was shown and named in real life besides the officers. I don't care how well it was filmed, they could've spent way more time on showing why the riots actually happened instead of portraying us as hooligans who needed to be put in our place. Instead they wanted to show us being dominated, terrorized, and killed.
 

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I watched the movie. Emotionally, it didnt do much for me. I doubt it will do much for any Black person thats watched the endless stream of police brutality videos, then read about the majority White juries that acquit these pigs of all wrongdoing. Nothing in this movie compares to the emotional gutpunch of seeing Philando Castile executed in cold blood, his lady and stepdaughter thrown in the back of the paddywagon afterward, then a cracker ass jury acquitting the cop a year later.
The only thing I took away from this are some new insights about the Algiers Motel incident, I wasnt aware that went down. I applaud the film for being frank about CAC's complicity in the behavior of these officers. The film did the usual "not every White person is a devil!" type shyt, but at least it made it abundantly clear this was not a case of "few bad apples", White society was complicit in the bullshyt from the top down.
I really hated John Boyega's character, the movie tries to use him as some type of morality figure while the White cops brutalise other Black people, but he comes across as a fukking enabling coward and a c00n. The White women in this movie put up more resistance to the thug cops than he does.
I dont get why shea butter, Black feminist twitter is so up in arms about this movie. Would they have preferred Black women in place of the White girls who get smacked up and sexually harassed by the cops?

Theyre just mad that the Black characters in this movie are predominantly male and heterosexual. I aint got the time for their bullshyt.
 
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