Denis Villeneuve 'Arrival'

[David_TheMan]

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The logic of the movie relies on the concept that the alien language is non-linear. As is explained early on, humans write from left to right or from right to left, thus sentences have a beginning and an end. The aliens write an entire sentence instantly, thus their structure of communicating is "free from time and space" (see below). By learning to understand the alien language, you therefore subconsciously unlock a way to see time in a non-linear fashion, which is why Adams' character starts to experience past and future simultaneously as she becomes more prevalent in "speaking" the language.

The movie literally describes the aliens' writing as trying to write a sentence using both hands, one starting from the left and the other from the right and have it connect perfectly in the exact middle. You might pull this off once with a lot of practice but the aliens have entire conversations this way, instinctively. It's a form of communication that almost cannot be fathomed.

Ending is pure dues ex machina. IMHO
That ending cheapens the movie IMHO

 

[TheGodling]

Ending is pure dues ex machina. IMHO
That ending cheapens the movie IMHO

It's not because:

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the movie explains the "science" behind it early on in a different context, and then drops hints on us until the final act climax. Within the movie's rules the ending makes perfect sense.

 

[David_TheMan]

It's not because:

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the movie explains the "science" behind it early on in a different context, and then drops hints on us until the final act climax. Within the movie's rules the ending makes perfect sense.

Nah, I get what the movie was trying to get across, but it literally made no sense within the confine of the universe that was built (a reality and world like our own) so it was cheap to me.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Nah, I get what the movie was trying to get across, but it literally made no sense within the confine of the universe that was built (a reality and world like our own) so it was cheap to me.

This...I agree they attempted to explain by making the point of language changes how folks think...but that is from a point of refernce where all things equal.

There us no way at our de-evolved state we could possibly comprehend the high level of thinking it would require to effortlessly communicate that way.

I wish they spent more time on the ending....im too smart to let that shyt slide...lol

 

[David_TheMan]

This...I agree they attempted to explain by making the point of language changes how folks think...but that is from a point of refernce where all things equal.

There us no way at our de-evolved state we could possibly comprehend the high level of thinking it would require to effortlessly communicate that way.

I wish they spent more time on the ending....im too smart to let that shyt slide...lol

Its literally impossible for any creature to do what they said this language would do. You would have to be in a pocket universe like interstellar to do what this language would do or become a god unbound by time or space. A language can't do that.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Its literally impossible for any creature to do what they said this language would do. You would have to be in a pocket universe like interstellar to do what this language would do or become a god unbound by time or space. A language can't do that.

Exactly..and I dont mind them exploring that BUT you have to give refernce and good logic to make that bold assertion....and thats what I wanted

 

[TheGodling]

This...I agree they attempted to explain by making the point of language changes how folks think...but that is from a point of refernce where all things equal.

There us no way at our de-evolved state we could possibly comprehend the high level of thinking it would require to effortlessly communicate that way.

I wish they spent more time on the ending....im too smart to let that shyt slide...lol

Its literally impossible for any creature to do what they said this language would do. You would have to be in a pocket universe like interstellar to do what this language would do or become a god unbound by time or space. A language can't do that.

I guess that's why this is a movie then and not a documentary.

 

[eufemism]

Might have to watch these back to back in IMAX next week when I get paid



Sneaking in some food too you already know

 

[Silver Surfer]

I guess that's why this is a movie then and not a documentary.

Movie logic can be exposed also...

 

[Silver Surfer]

Might have to watch these back to back in IMAX next week when I get paid



Sneaking in some food too you already know

Food??..what are you 12....now if you said you sneaking a half pint of liq then bet....

 

[TheGodling]

Movie logic can be exposed also...

True, but your complaints (and those of @David_TheMan ) aren't based on flawed logic, but your own lack of suspension of disbelief. The movie sets up a concept and in the context of the rules of this world the concept works. Whether it's actually possible in the real world is completely beyond the point, that's why it is science fiction.

I mean:

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you blindly accept that these creatures can travel through the galaxy to come here in ships far beyond our understanding (without it ever being explained how their ships or technology works), but you can't accept that the language they use is so far advanced that it transcends the "original" purpose of language?

 

[BXKingPin82]

i wanna go see this but im too fukked up to get up and get dressed

 

[David_TheMan]

True, but your complaints (and those of @David_TheMan ) aren't based on flawed logic, but your own lack of suspension of disbelief. The movie sets up a concept and in the context of the rules of this world the concept works. Whether it's actually possible in the real world is completely beyond the point, that's why it is science fiction.

I mean:

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you blindly accept that these creatures can travel through the galaxy to come here in ships far beyond our understanding (without it ever being explained how their ships or technology works), but you can't accept that the language they use is so far advanced that it transcends the "original" purpose of language?

I disagree with you. If you make a world that is based on this world that we live in you are dealing with a set of logic and rules that we are going to follow. When you make the jump they make in this movie, you have to build it up more than being understanding of a language.

Accepting a method of travel is one thing, trying to sell me that understanding of a language can do what they tried to claim in this movie is another.

 

[Silver Surfer]

True, but your complaints (and those of @David_TheMan ) aren't based on flawed logic, but your own lack of suspension of disbelief. The movie sets up a concept and in the context of the rules of this world the concept works. Whether it's actually possible in the real world is completely beyond the point, that's why it is science fiction.

I mean:

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you blindly accept that these creatures can travel through the galaxy to come here in ships far beyond our understanding (without it ever being explained how their ships or technology works), but you can't accept that the language they use is so far advanced that it transcends the "original" purpose of language?

We cant speak on their mode of travel because its not even touched on in the movie. ..let alone where they are from.....

I dont mind them exploring the idea about a high level language...what I do mind is them just saying its high level and you will "get it" and be able to have abilities......tell me how the brain changed to facilitate this change!!


I will say this...."Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic "

And for us...that was magic!...great movie tho

 

[Box Cutta]

Hmm, I like Amy Adams, I like Forest Whitaker...but I hate Jeremy Renner.

Worth seeing? I might go later tonight.