Debunking the Kobe is inefficient myth

[ISO]

Kobe’s efficiency was fine.

It’s the same reason a guy like Donovan Mitchell for example gets called a chuck and inefficient but people don’t look at the diversity of his shot chart, difficulty of shots, self created offense.

With that being said he wasn’t as efficient as a LeBron, Bird, or Magic that’s just a fact.

 

[Bilz]

Who are these "people" you speak of? If you simply mean the media then sure. They had an agenda against Kobe for damn near his entire career and only really stopped disrespecting him after his death. However, NBA players, coaches, and most fans had Kobe as the best player in the NBA from 2001-2010. And you know this.

In fact NBA players and coaches showed Kobe more respect during his prime as the best player in the league than LeBron ever got during his reign. Jordan is the only one of the 3 who had unanimous respect from both the media and his peers.

Why do you keep saying this shyt? Kobe got hate for the rape case, Shaq leaving, and a few losing years that followed that. The media LOVED him before the case and after 2008, he was fully loved again.

 

[Swagnificent]

Why do you keep saying this shyt? Kobe got hate for the rape case, Shaq leaving, and a few losing years that followed that. The media LOVED him before the case and after 2008, he was fully loved again.

The media loved him in 1998. Then they started tearing him down. Especially in the beef with Shaq which started in 2000. The entire media was on some Kobe is selfish we fukk with Shaq tip. The Colorado incident only made things worse. And you're wrong about saying Kobe was loved after 2008. That was during the Kobe vs LeBron era. And the media didn't like the fact Kobe was threatening their new cash cow so they went out of their way to hate Kobe.

The only time since 2000 I saw the media ease back on their hate of Kobe was after he died.

 

[Killer Instinct]

Why do you keep saying this shyt? Kobe got hate for the rape case, Shaq leaving, and a few losing years that followed that. The media LOVED him before the case and after 2008, he was fully loved again.

No, he really wasn't.

 

[Ozymandeas]

nobody was calling him the best player in the world for most of his career
the only time I can remember Kobe being heralded as the undisputed best was the 2008 olympics

in 2009, the King took over

Yea.....that's not true

I wish we had a time machine or something so we could show when people be lying.

From 2008 to 2010, Kobe was still seen as the best player in the league.

How Giannis has been looked at the last few years, thats how LeBron was looked at back then. Kobe was considered "better" because he had the rings, the championship pedigree, the better team, etc. LeBron had the stats and was a better physical specimen being younger and more athletic, but the basketball world wasn't ready to call him the best.....just like they didn't call Giannis the best over LeBron for a LONG TIME for the SAME REASONS.

LeBron didn't take that title until 2011-2012 when the Heat superteam formed, Kobe and Lakers started to decline and Bron got his first ring.

 

[MurderToCassette]

So many agendas in here my head is spinning

You can keep the 2% difference in TS, cause when you can put together a 20 minute video of him making some of the most difficult shots
ever attempted the numbers don't fukking matter

 

[Primetime]

Yea.....that's not true

I wish we had a time machine or something so we could show when people be lying.

From 2008 to 2010, Kobe was still seen as the best player in the league.

How Giannis has been looked at the last few years, thats how LeBron was looked at back then. Kobe was considered "better" because he had the rings, the championship pedigree, the better team, etc. LeBron had the stats and was a better physical specimen being younger and more athletic, but the basketball world wasn't ready to call him the best.....just like they didn't call Giannis the best over LeBron for a LONG TIME for the SAME REASONS.

LeBron didn't take that title until 2011-2012 when the Heat superteam formed, Kobe and Lakers started to decline and Bron got his first ring.

Yup. I mentioned it in another thread a couple years back: the irony that the same arguments Bron stans were using against Giannis… was the same logic they were fighting against from Kobe stans a literal decade ago on sohh

A stat padding regular season monster (same back to back mvp winners on 60 win teams) who didn’t have the ‘tangibles, grit, nor “skill” to get it done in a playoff atmosphere.

Same shyt different decade lol. It’s as if all stans are the same in the end

 

[#1 pick]

False. Today's players can't even post-up. How are they more skilled? Today's game is simply more specialized while back in day guys were generalists. Now you go guys in the league who all they can do is catch n shoot 3s. Back in the day you needed to do more than just shoot the ball. Just cause you can do one thing better don't make you more skilled.

Also I rate Wilt Chamberlain as the greatest player in NBA history so I don't discount his numbers. I give credit where it's due.

The best scorers can post up and thats not an efficient way to play the game in the modern NBA.

Analytics have changed the game for better or in some minds, for worse.

My biggest thing with Kobe is we never got to see him play too many years in the illegal defense era. He was lethal but it ended early into his career.

I think Kobe would have benefited either coming in many years later or many years earlier especially in comparison to MJ

 

[murksiderock]

Yea.....that's not true

I wish we had a time machine or something so we could show when people be lying.

From 2008 to 2010, Kobe was still seen as the best player in the league.

How Giannis has been looked at the last few years, thats how LeBron was looked at back then. Kobe was considered "better" because he had the rings, the championship pedigree, the better team, etc. LeBron had the stats and was a better physical specimen being younger and more athletic, but the basketball world wasn't ready to call him the best.....just like they didn't call Giannis the best over LeBron for a LONG TIME for the SAME REASONS.

LeBron didn't take that title until 2011-2012 when the Heat superteam formed, Kobe and Lakers started to decline and Bron got his first ring.

Yup. I mentioned it in another thread a couple years back: the irony that the same arguments Bron stans were using against Giannis… was the same logic they were fighting against from Kobe stans a literal decade ago on sohh

A stat padding regular season monster (same back to back mvp winners on 60 win teams) who didn’t have the ‘tangibles, grit, nor “skill” to get it done in a playoff atmosphere.

Same shyt different decade lol. It’s as if all stans are the same in the end

Most people considered Bron the best player in basketball when he did The Decision in Summer 2010. It's why that move was so culturally momentous and why the '11 Finals performance was so significant...

Kobe had the edge in popular opinion before 2010....

And no, the Giannis and Bron comps were always false equivalencies. Giannis was nowhere near Bron as a playoff performer in his first 7 years, there is nothing remotely comparable to '09/Y6 Playoff Bron, or an '07/Y4 Bron carry job, in Giannis' first 7 years...

Bron's game even thru 9 years (2012), which is where Giannis is currently, was much more refined than Giannis especially offensively...

Lastly when Bron ascended it was basically understood it was he and Kobe, then everyone else. Giannis didn't reach that level of notoriety until that fluky '21 chip run. He's been a great player a half-decade now but there was always a bunch of guys in the conversation, a stark contrast to Bron, and we watched Giannis get outplayed in a series by Durant and be afraid to guard him multiple times throughout the clutch in that series, we saw Butler outplay him in a series, we saw a hurt Kawhi not only outplay him offensively but put the clamps on him defensively in a series...

Give me the parallels of all of these in LeBron's first 9 years. There aren't any...

Giannis is a great player with a high trajectory but you nikkas only gassed him because of your fetish for downplaying LeBron. They were NEVER the same player, nowhere near the same impact on the game...

 

[Ozymandeas]

Yup. I mentioned it in another thread a couple years back: the irony that the same arguments Bron stans were using against Giannis… was the same logic they were fighting against from Kobe stans a literal decade ago on sohh

A stat padding regular season monster (same back to back mvp winners on 60 win teams) who didn’t have the ‘tangibles, grit, nor “skill” to get it done in a playoff atmosphere.

Same shyt different decade lol. It’s as if all stans are the same in the end

As a Kobe stan, I found that shyt HILARIOUS. They were using all of our arguments and didnt take a second to stop and think about it

 

[Ozymandeas]

Most people considered Bron the best player in basketball when he did The Decision in Summer 2010. It's why that move was so culturally momentous and why the '11 Finals performance was so significant...

Kobe had the edge in popular opinion before 2010....

And no, the Giannis and Bron comps were always false equivalencies. Giannis was nowhere near Bron as a playoff performer in his first 7 years, there is nothing remotely comparable to '09/Y6 Playoff Bron, or an '07/Y4 Bron carry job, in Giannis' first 7 years...

Bron's game even thru 9 years (2012), which is where Giannis is currently, was much more refined than Giannis especially offensively...

Lastly when Bron ascended it was basically understood it was he and Kobe, then everyone else. Giannis didn't reach that level of notoriety until that fluky '21 chip run. He's been a great player a half-decade now but there was always a bunch of guys in the conversation, a stark contrast to Bron, and we watched Giannis get outplayed in a series by Durant and be afraid to guard him multiple times throughout the clutch in that series, we saw Butler outplay him in a series, we saw a hurt Kawhi not only outplay him offensively but put the clamps on him defensively in a series...

Give me the parallels of all of these in LeBron's first 9 years. There aren't any...

Giannis is a great player with a high trajectory but you nikkas only gassed him because of your fetish for downplaying LeBron. They were NEVER the same player, nowhere near the same impact on the game...

Was Lebron being seriously compared to Jordan in 2010, or was Kobe?

Crickets.

Exactly.

If you can't see the comparison of Kobe being the Champion and LeBron being the new star back then, v.s. LeBron being the Champion and Giannis being the new star in this era....its because you DON'T want to see it. Not because it's not true.

This is not gonna be a productive conversation because you're clearly a major Bron stan.

Be safe out there.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Breh really called Giannis' championship a fluke run

LeBron could have never dominated a championship that way in his seventh year...at 26.

Giannis dropped like 50 points one game. And dropped 40 points twice before that.

At the same age, LeBron was getting shut down by Jason Terry and scoring 8 points.

 

[Killer Instinct]

From 2008 to 2010, Kobe was still seen as the best player in the league.

'05-'06 is when it really started. nikkas are really still trying to get their Dr. Strange on and warp time & space when it comes to this topic. Like Mark Jackson didn't proclaim live on ABC television that Kobe could go down as the GOAT.



Like he wasn't unanimously heralded as the best player on the floor & the top dog in the summer of '07 during the Team USA scrimmage.



Like Amare really wasn't about to slap up his own teammate over the topic in 2006.



Bean was considered the best player in the world '05 - '09 with Lebron entering the conversation in '09 once he began peaking. The idea that he was only considered the guy in the Olynpics is asinine. Like, son, do you think he rolled out of bed and was magically bestowed that title by the Redeem Team & (begrudgingly) the media? No, fool. The ball went to him in the Gold medal game during the last six minutes because the world & his peers had conceded that title to him years ago. The championships with Pau and three consecutive Finals only cemented his standing.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Lots of revisionist history going on in this thread. From 05 to 08 Kobe was regarded as the best player in the NBA. The one time people started questioning that was after Wade won the title in 06 but Kobe was still regarded as the best. LeBron took the title as the best in 09.

 

[MoneyTron]

Most people considered Bron the best player in basketball when he did The Decision in Summer 2010. It's why that move was so culturally momentous and why the '11 Finals performance was so significant...

Kobe had the edge in popular opinion before 2010....

And no, the Giannis and Bron comps were always false equivalencies. Giannis was nowhere near Bron as a playoff performer in his first 7 years, there is nothing remotely comparable to '09/Y6 Playoff Bron, or an '07/Y4 Bron carry job, in Giannis' first 7 years...

Bron's game even thru 9 years (2012), which is where Giannis is currently, was much more refined than Giannis especially offensively...

Lastly when Bron ascended it was basically understood it was he and Kobe, then everyone else. Giannis didn't reach that level of notoriety until that fluky '21 chip run. He's been a great player a half-decade now but there was always a bunch of guys in the conversation, a stark contrast to Bron, and we watched Giannis get outplayed in a series by Durant and be afraid to guard him multiple times throughout the clutch in that series, we saw Butler outplay him in a series, we saw a hurt Kawhi not only outplay him offensively but put the clamps on him defensively in a series...

Give me the parallels of all of these in LeBron's first 9 years. There aren't any...

Giannis is a great player with a high trajectory but you nikkas only gassed him because of your fetish for downplaying LeBron. They were NEVER the same player, nowhere near the same impact on the game...

I really feel sorry for you breh.