"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[ISO]

You can’t hide Obi on defense especially when you guys want him to be a starter. Secondly what attention would Obi command from defenses? There’s only two players who can create offenses for himself and others (Randle, Rose) and it looks like Quickley will get there sooner rather than later. Respectfully you guys aren’t even thinking about RJ career at this point.

Randle stans y’all

Why would we hide Obi when he’s been a better defender than your boy this season

 

[Peter Popoff]

You can’t hide Obi on defense especially when you guys want him to be a starter. Secondly what attention would Obi command from defenses? There’s only two players who can create offenses for himself and others (Randle, Rose) and it looks like Quickley will get there sooner rather than later. Respectfully you guys aren’t even thinking about RJ career at this point.

Obi does create offense for himself and he's a better defender and rebounder than Randle creating less 2nd chance points.

As far as RJ....that's your man just like Frank. I been said IQ>>>RJ. The only kid I'm still a fan of is Kevin Knox.

 

[ISO]

Respectfully you guys aren’t even thinking about RJ career at this point.

Imagine saying this while prioritizing another bully balling lefty.

 

[Ty-Fife]

Knicks fans were turning on Quickley 10 games into the season. Dark times we're living in

That's a fact

Remember nikkas was going crazy on RJ around this time last year too when he went through a slump. shyt is hilarious.

Honestly, we just need to adjust the starting line up. Start Burks or IQ and replace 1 of Kemba, Fournier or RJ and see what happens. I don't see Kemba not starting though cause I don't like the idea of him and Rose in the back court at the same time.

 

[mbewane]

Regardless of anything we absolutely need to find ways to get the young guns more PT. Quickley Sims and Grimes bring too much not to use their energy and hustle. It's crazy how the starters can be so lethargic at times.

I have no idea what to do with Randle. Looks every other time he has the ball in his hands it ends up in a horrible contested fade-away shot after dribbling for 10 seconds.

Good win though and once again we played with more consistency and effort on the road. Granted last home game was against the Suns and this one was against the team that knocked out of the playoffs so we had an extra chip on our shoulder, but still the fact remains.

GO NY GO NY GO

 

[Knicksman20]

Regardless of anything we absolutely need to find ways to get the young guns more PT. Quickley Sims and Grimes bring too much not to use their energy and hustle. It's crazy how the starters can be so lethargic at times.

I have no idea what to do with Randle. Looks every other time he has the ball in his hands it ends up in a horrible contested fade-away shot after dribbling for 10 seconds.

Good win though and once again we played with more consistency and effort on the road. Granted last home game was against the Suns and this one was against the team that knocked out of the playoffs so we had an extra chip on our shoulder, but still the fact remains.

GO NY GO NY GO

Agree with everything & the bold is for emphasis. The play of our young core needs to put Thibs ass on the hot the seat for not playing them sooner. He needs to be called out more than he has. His decision to keep not playing them was beyond stupid when we're having defensive issues & 3rd quarter meltdowns from the starters consistently this season. And let's be real Knickas, the only reason Thibs even played them was because he was forced to with all the injuries. Had that not happen, they'd all be rotting on the bench which is sad. Something needs to change with not only the starting lineup, but with the subs/rotations. Our young core proved yesterday they can contribute. If Thibs is all about winning (like he's always maintained) then he's going to let them play

 

[El Jefe]

been tellin yall about Randle since last year and those iso ball dominant possesions ..phil jackson would b

and I said it already after a few games this year

most of this szn thibs has been horrible .. almost to the point u wonder how he won coach of the year last year

either way glad yall got that W against the Atl.pigeons

 

[Derek Lee]

All-star Randle was a complete aberration. I want him gone

 

[Peter Popoff]

He has to learn how to play off the ball. There's too many good ball handlers on the team for him to do that shyt he doing.
NBA | Video: Knicks 'trending in right direction' after win over Hawks

 

[Wargames]

You basing this all of a 20 game sample. Again bring back a all-star or Thibs needs to let the point forward experiment die.

And I'm not saying Obi isn’t good or won't be, but Knicks fans LOVE to overrate their young players.

Y’all fukking scared

Moving on from Julius is a no brainer

After moving Melo and watching Porzingis struggle…. Let’s not overthink this. Gotta learn from past mistakes and one of those is skipping steps. Randle draws double teams and makes the lives of everyone on the roster’s life easier, Obi can’t do that, yet. The Hawks came into this game prepared to repeat the strategy from the playoffs and beat the Knicks by stopping Randle. They did that when it came to scoring. The fact the Knicks then still got the win without Kemba and Rose, as well as Capella and Young getting theirs is a great sign that things could work out. It’s not a sign they need to take the team apart. It’s a sign they need to make adjustments.

The real question now is will Kemba and Fournier keep their starting positions. Then if the answer is no, what do you do with them?

 

[Ty-Fife]

After moving Melo and watching Porzingis struggle…. Let’s not overthink this. Gotta learn from past mistakes and one of those is skipping steps. Randle draws double teams and makes the lives of everyone on the roster’s life easier, Obi can’t do that, yet. The Hawks came into this game prepared to repeat the strategy from the playoffs and beat the Knicks by stopping Randle. They did that when it came to scoring. The fact the Knicks then still got the win without Kemba and Rose, as well as Capella and Young getting theirs is a great sign that things could work out. It’s not a sign they need to take the team apart. It’s a sign they need to make adjustments.

The real question now is will Kemba and Fournier keep their starting positions. Then if the answer is no, what do you do with them?

Exactly

I could only imagine if we trade Randle, push Obi to the forefront and he don't average at 19 and 10 how these nikkas would be acting in here...

 

[Wargames]

Exactly

I could only imagine if we trade Randle, push Obi to the forefront and he don't average at 19 and 10 how these nikkas would be acting in here...

Porzingis was a p*ssy but why test Obi, he also hasn’t shown as much offensively as Porzingis did at this phase. Also unlike Melo who was at the end of his prime, Randle is still in his and under a fair contract. There are even more reasons to leave Randle in place. Especially after we seen some guys ain’t built to take on that level of offensive responsibility. KP ran to Dallas to hide behind Luka like he use to hide behind Melo. Anyhow, let’s see if they can do better this season and hopefully the playoffs.

Kemba might be the biggest issue on the lineup, and he’s not bad, just maybe a bad fit. Let’s play this out.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Porzingis was a p*ssy but why test Obi, he also hasn’t shown as much offensively as Porzingis did at this phase. Also unlike Melo who was at the end of his prime, Randle is still in his and under a fair contract. There are even more reasons to leave Randle in place. Especially after we seen some guys ain’t built to take on that level of offensive responsibility. KP ran to Dallas to hide behind Luka like he use to hide behind Melo. Anyhow, let’s see if they can do better this season and hopefully the playoffs.

Kemba might be the biggest issue on the lineup, and he’s not bad, just maybe a bad fit. Let’s play this out.

Randle issues hopefully can be coached out of him

 

[tru_m.a.c]

The problem is that Thibs and the coaching staff, by putting out terrible lineups, are actually causing fans to turn on the players themselves.

The argument against Kemba, Fournier, RJ, and Randle isn't simply about whether they are skilled enough to start. It's a matter of whether they actually work well on the court. We have a large enough sample size. The answer is NO.

But the issue isn't whether Kemba can run point or whether Randle can score. What is the identity of the current starting 5? What is the one thing that they all do well together and when it clicks it's unstoppable?

Burks, IQ, Rose, Obi, Noel, and Mitchell can play with anyone. The coaching staff needs to ask 3 simple questions:
- what's the best lineup for Kemba
- what's the best lineup for Fournier
- what's the best lineup for Randle
- what's the best lineup for RJ

Because RJ looked fine when he wasn't forced to stand in the corner. Fournier played with multiple lineups yesterday that were able to hide him on defense.

I don't think this staff is putting players in the best position to be their best and I don't think the coaching staff is actually adjusting to take advantage of other teams weaknesses.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

If the coaching staff cared about RJ and Randle without the politics they would start Quinten Grimes as the starting small forward and allow RJ Barrett to go back to his natural 2 guard position. It made no sense to put Rj in that tough situation where his strength (using his body) gets nullified by having bigger players on him.

If Tibs want to help Randle he should start Quickley since his consistency from the three and the distance he can shoot opens up the floor for everybody. Plus the added defensive effort by Quickley would help our perimeter defense. If you can stay in front of Trae young you can stay in front of 95 percent of NBA point guards.

^^^ The problem with this it would admit that Rose made two bad free agent signings and there’s politics behind that.

The lineup of
Quickley, Barrett, Grimes, Randle, Mitch helps all those involved.

The bench of
Rose, Obi, Burks, Fournier, McBride is still a top 5 bench in the league.