"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[tremonthustler1]

The question isn't whether Ainge feels like he can turn it down. It's whether or not he can find a better offer before whatever deadline they've set on moving Mitchell and settling into that tank.

they can do bad by themselves. If they made this trade now and the RJ Barrett led Utah Jazz lost 60+ games, that shouldn't make anyone enthusiastic about giving him $120 over 4 (or in Utah's case, $50 mil more) If Mitchell is good enough to keep Utah as is in the playoff hunt in the West, Utah will just go for it (cuz Lord knows he ain't good enough to do that alone in the West)

 

[tremonthustler1]

To be fair we don’t know what the three unprotected picks were. They could have been a mixture of Knicks picks with protections. The feel I got was the Knicks weren’t moving the picks from the 2022 draft trade but protecting the picks they sent out themselves.

Idk the lottery odds are pretty damn flat. I never thought Ainge goal was to tank. The league has made tanking far from a sure thing. I always thought his goal was to get enough assets from a team to ensure those picks are lottery picks. It the Knicks gave Ainge 4 unprotected picks and the two to three youth like he originally wanted. They would be a injury away from Ainge getting a guaranteed lottery pick and just knowing the Knicks it would be multiple picks. Add that to the haul he got from the wolves and Utahs own picks and the odds some of the youth the Knicks sent pan out and the Jazz are sitting pretty rebuild wise.

That makes it worse, because the picks they acquired from other teams all have big protections. All the Knicks can do with those picks is pray they convey. They won't convert into a gem of an asset on their own. Offering 5 firsts sounds nice. Offering 5 #17 picks sounds so much worse.

 

[Wargames]

That makes it worse, because the picks they acquired from other teams all have big protections. All the Knicks can do with those picks is pray they convey. They won't convert into a gem of an asset on their own. Offering 5 firsts sounds nice. Offering 5 #17 picks sounds so much worse.

Watching the Knicks I expect them to trade those picks. Likely to facilitate someone else’s trade for a player (or a better pick) so a FO can brag on the overall number of picks they got back or for a player a team is going to lose anyway.

Basically that is how they got Cam Reddish. Atlanta knew they didn’t want to keep Cam because he asked for a trade, but also didn’t want to look like they got nothing in return for him. So the Knicks sent them that Hornets protected pick that not only didn’t it convey (and might never), the Knicks ended up trading again for essentially that same Hornets picks to do the Duren deal.

They might be able to use them to unload Randle too…. It depends on if he builds up his value enough that he looks like a good player again.

In the grand scheme of things a package with two unprotected Knicks picks, and 4 heavy protected picks has value.

 

[Peter Popoff]

This is gonna come back to bite ainge in the ass. I'm loving the moves by FO since Rose took over.

 

[Voice of Reason]

To be fair we don’t know what the three protected picks were. They could have been a mixture of Knicks picks with protections. The feel I got was the Knicks weren’t moving the picks from the 2022 draft trade but protecting the Knicks own picks being sent out.

Idk the lottery odds are pretty damn flat. I never thought Ainge goal was to tank. The league has made tanking far from a sure thing. I always thought his goal was to get enough assets from a team to ensure those picks are lottery picks.

If the Knicks gave Ainge 4 unprotected picks and the two to three youth like he originally wanted. They would be a injury away from Ainge getting a guaranteed lottery pick back and just knowing the Knicks it would be multiple picks. Add that to the haul of assets he got from the wolves and Utahs own picks and the Jazz are sitting real pretty rebuild wise. Basically he would have three teams futures to rebuild the Jazz.

Do you think those two lakers lottery picks get it done lol.

 

[Wargames]

That was a 23 year old record

 

[Harleminthe80s]

I figured he wouldn’t get the max. That the haters kept bringing up as a talking point

 

[storyteller]

they can do bad by themselves. If they made this trade now and the RJ Barrett led Utah Jazz lost 60+ games, that shouldn't make anyone enthusiastic about giving him $120 over 4 (or in Utah's case, $50 mil more) If Mitchell is good enough to keep Utah as is in the playoff hunt in the West, Utah will just go for it (cuz Lord knows he ain't good enough to do that alone in the West)

RJ wouldn't have be making 120 million for them. I'm not under the illusion that a deal featuring RJ is still viable. But the offer before he signed the extension wasn't bad.

It was RJ's bird rights, Fournier, 2 unprotected picks, 3 protected picks. That's not bad at all. In fact, it cornered the market because no one was willing to beat it. Ainge held out for Grimes and now that RJ offer has dried up. That was the best deal Ainge could find after 2 months of trying, so it makes sense that both sides moved on.

 

[tremonthustler1]

RJ wouldn't have be making 120 million for them. I'm not under the illusion that a deal featuring RJ is still viable. But the offer before he signed the extension wasn't bad.

It was RJ's bird rights, Fournier, 2 unprotected picks, 3 protected picks. That's not bad at all. In fact, it cornered the market because no one was willing to beat it. Ainge held out for Grimes and now that RJ offer has dried up. That was the best offer he could find after 2 months of trying, so it makes sense that both sides moved on.

Agreed. That's why I said Utah woulda had to pay $50 mil more.

Ainge always had the option of just keeping him. If he needed to trade Mitchell, he shoulda traded him first.

 

[Glorious]

That was a 23 year old record

 

[PIFF101]

Leon didn’t fold and give up a package of multiple draft picks, young talent + a starter or two..fukk Ainge

RJ at close to 20/6/3 signing a multi year deal as a first round draft pick with us says something. I like RJ, he’s got that aggressive game on off and plays D.

 

[RickyGQ]

The Knicks thought they could get 3 bullshyt picks from OKC and flip it for Mitchell. Ainge saw what the value of those picks were and it was Ousmane Dieng, yet the Knicks think they can throw in a Dallas first or one of their short term ones and get themselves Mitchell. That's insulting. For that, Danny might as well call Presti and ask for 9 protected firsts.

Let him call then the fukk? Jazz don’t have the leverage they think they have, why would the Knicks outbid themselves. If you want to trade him elsewhere for less, be our guest.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

100ms to R.J Barrett. Man. I get thats the going rate but holy shyt.

 

[storyteller]

Agreed. That's why I said Utah woulda had to pay $50 mil more.

Ainge always had the option of just keeping him. If he needed to trade Mitchell, he shoulda traded him first.

I thought you meant the poison pill in the new contract extension. I doubt that under any circumstance he would have to pay 50 million more. It’s bird rights, and you’re imagining rj coming off a 20 win season. They could extend the qualifying offer and let rj find the best deal possible then match. RJ could technically take the QO and walk a year later but nobody ever does off that first rookie deal.

Ainge definitely shoulda dealt Mitchell first, but he had that really nice deal for Gobert and it looks like he wanted to use that to set a high-demand market for Mitchell. That backfired and now the best offer he was able to garner has dried up.

He can hang on to Mitchell, but he goes from a game of chicken with Leon rose to a new one with Mitchell. Utah’s leverage sucks if they look for a trade. Mitchell demanding a trade would only hurt that even more.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Not the full max for RJ

Not bad.. If he keeps improving this will be a bargain in 2 years…

I dont think RJ is a superstar but its not a full max

Get this Donovan Mitchell shyt outta here