"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[RubioTheCruel]

Nikka…so…the…fukk…what

The Knicks attempting to have their starting backcourt both be under 6'2" is completely fukking mindboggling. Brunson is already a liability out there(can't match size with most guards out there, even if he tries, has trouble staying in front of his man, has issues with team defense concepts). You give this guy 100+million, then want to trade for the guy who made Brunson look like Kyrie Irving out there he was so bad defensively.

You can scheme around 1 defensive liability, not two. Getting multiple stops consecutively on defense in the postseason is the formula for victory. It makes absolutely no sense so that's why I know the Knicks will trade for Mitchell.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

The Knicks attempting to have their starting backcourt both be under 6'2" is completely fukking mindboggling. Brunson is already a liability out there(can't match size with most guards out there, even if he tries, has trouble staying in front of his man, has issues with team defense concepts). You give this guy 100+million, then want to trade for the guy who made Brunson look like Kyrie Irving out there he was so bad defensively.

You can scheme around 1 defensive liability, not two. Getting multiple stops consecutively on defense in the postseason is the formula for victory. It makes absolutely no sense so that's why I know the Knicks will trade for Mitchell.

I really don’t understand @ISO

 

[KnickstapeCity]

So we really trading for my nikka Westbrook, brehs?

 

[Joe Sixpack]

It doesn't bother him at all as he thinks defensive wings and playmakers that can help mask Mitchell's deficiencies are easy to find and come by in the NBA lol.

Everyone wants 6’8, 6’9 3 and D wings!!

 

[ISO]

It doesn't bother him at all as he thinks defensive wings and playmakers that can help mask Mitchell's deficiencies are easy to find and come by in the NBA lol.

Ur logic is pure retard shyt.

U say everyone wants those wings.

Meaning everyone needs those wings.

Meaning the Knicks will need those wings regardless.

So what the fukk are you talking about?

 

[ISO]

The Knicks attempting to have their starting backcourt both be under 6'2" is completely fukking mindboggling. Brunson is already a liability out there(can't match size with most guards out there, even if he tries, has trouble staying in front of his man, has issues with team defense concepts). You give this guy 100+million, then want to trade for the guy who made Brunson look like Kyrie Irving out there he was so bad defensively.

You can scheme around 1 defensive liability, not two. Getting multiple stops consecutively on defense in the postseason is the formula for victory. It makes absolutely no sense so that's why I know the Knicks will trade for Mitchell.

These are narratives.

Who said Brunson struggles with team defensive concepts? He struggles with point of attack defense but not with team defensive concepts or as an off-ball defender.

That team-first mentality really shines through in Brunson’s help defense. He is almost always in the right spot. He applies pressure without over-helping by utilizing stunts and closing driving gaps with good positioning. He is extremely smart in knowing how to zone up the weak side of the floor and guard two players at once. His dad, Rick, played and coached in the NBA, and Jalen is a coach’s son through-and-through.

He is a smart team defender and more than willing to put his body on the line he was top 10 in charges drawn and also ranked nicely in defensive loose balls recovered.

How did Brunson destroy Mitchell and make him look like Kyrie Irving when he barely defended him? Royce O’Neale was Brunson’s primary defender. The narrative is that Brunson dropped 42 on Mitchell’s head that didn’t happen. Brunson got a few off screen and semi transition buckets on Donovan.

Mitchell’s defense was mostly poor in getting out to Dallas shooters on rotations and matching up in transition.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

These are narratives.

Who said Brunson struggles with team defensive concepts? He struggles with point of attack defense but not with team defensive concepts or as an off-ball defender.


He is a smart team defender and more than willing to put his body on the line he was top 10 in charges drawn and also ranked nicely in defensive lose balls recovered.

How did Brunson destroy Mitchell and make him look like Kyrie Irving when he barely defended him? Royce O’Neale was Brunson’s primary defender. The narrative is that Brunson dropped 42 on Mitchell’s head that didn’t happen. Brunson got a few off screen and semi transition buckets on Donovan.

Mitchell’s defense was mostly poor in getting out to Dallas shooters on rotations and matching up in transition.

Dawg said “These are narratives”



You can’t coach height nikka!!

Are these nikkas gonna grow 5 inches by October?

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Ur logic is pure retard shyt.

U say everyone wants those wings.

Meaning everyone needs those wings.

Meaning the Knicks will need those wings regardless.

So what the fukk are you talking about?

That shyt makes no sense whatsoever

You said those type of wings are easy to come by, so again I ask where are those players at as other teams would love to know that information as well?

 

[ISO]

That shyt makes no sense whatsoever

You said those type of wings are easy to come by, so again I ask where are those players at as other teams would love to know that information as well?

When did I say that? Nevertheless the Knicks will have to find them and have time to do so. As you said everyone wants and needs those players so we’ll need them regardless.

U clowns keep acting like the Knicks need to win a championship in year one.

What the Knicks need to do is build respectability first and foremost.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

These are narratives.

Who said Brunson struggles with team defensive concepts? He struggles with point of attack defense but not with team defensive concepts or as an off-ball defender.

Did you watch him play at all during the playoffs? Getting beat on ball is one thing, getting beat by back door cuts because you're ball watching is quite another.

 

[ISO]

Did you watch him play at all during the playoffs? Getting beat on ball is one thing, getting beat by back door cuts because you're ball watching is quite another.

A small sample size of select plays in a 7 game playoff series is not indicative of his team defense.

Brunson is a smart team defender that understands positioning, uses his low center of gravity as leverage, and sacrifices his body with charges and diving for loose balls. His team defense is why he is ranked around a net neutral defender.

His point of attack defense and getting over screens is another story.

 

[storyteller]

Brunson and Mitchell is obviously a tough fit defensively, but I have to think they've talked to Thibs about it. Thibs has schemed out great defenses to cover for undersized guards that were worse than Brunson or Mitchell defensively (ie: DJ Augustin). Don's actually a pretty capable defender though we have to go back to his college and rookie seasons to see the best evidence, so it's a reach I admit.

Anyway, I think the Knicks pushed to get Mitch done before he saw other offers because they planned to go small up top. Hartenstein is also an elite defender at the rim. So I'm expecting familiar drop coverage with the small guys going over screens and funneling ball handlers into the big men. I'm not sure how effective that will be, but it worked even with Kemba/Fournier on the perimeter. So I think it should at least be competent enough that the offense can win games.

But the defense questions are why I'm having a tough time deciding whether I prefer to keep IQ or Grimes in an eventual deal. Grimes has a bit more size and defense that could really help in a pinch.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Brunson and Mitchell is obviously a tough fit defensively, but I have to think they've talked to Thibs about it. Thibs has schemed out great defenses to cover for undersized guards that were worse than Brunson or Mitchell defensively (ie: DJ Augustin). Don's actually a pretty capable defender though we have to go back to his college and rookie seasons to see the best evidence, so it's a reach I admit.

Anyway, I think the Knicks pushed to get Mitch done before he saw other offers because they planned to go small up top. Hartenstein is also an elite defender at the rim. So I'm expecting familiar drop coverage with the small guys going over screens and funneling ball handlers into the big men. I'm not sure how effective that will be, but it worked even with Kemba/Fournier on the perimeter. So I think it should at least be competent enough that the offense can win games.

But the defense questions are why I'm having a tough time deciding whether I prefer to keep IQ or Grimes in an eventual deal. Grimes has a bit more size and defense that could really help in a pinch.

That's been 5 years ago and dudes still keep bringing up Mitchell's defense from college and his rookie season like he's still that same player in that aspect

It's those type of comments that are the reason why people clown Mitchell as they don't use those same talking points or excuses with other players who are trash defensively as well.

 

[ISO]

Brunson and Mitchell is obviously a tough fit defensively, but I have to think they've talked to Thibs about it. Thibs has schemed out great defenses to cover for undersized guards that were worse than Brunson or Mitchell defensively (ie: DJ Augustin). Don's actually a pretty capable defender though we have to go back to his college and rookie seasons to see the best evidence, so it's a reach I admit.

Anyway, I think the Knicks pushed to get Mitch done before he saw other offers because they planned to go small up top. Hartenstein is also an elite defender at the rim. So I'm expecting familiar drop coverage with the small guys going over screens and funneling ball handlers into the big men. I'm not sure how effective that will be, but it worked even with Kemba/Fournier on the perimeter. So I think it should at least be competent enough that the offense can win games.

But the defense questions are why I'm having a tough time deciding whether I prefer to keep IQ or Grimes in an eventual deal. Grimes has a bit more size and defense that could really help in a pinch.

Randle and Barrett defensively as the forwards around a hypothetical Mitchell and Brunson backcourt won’t cut it. Those two will have to be upgraded. Knicks will have to upgrade at those forward spots and bring some spot defenders to defend situationally and mix and match line ups too. Both Grimes and Quickley are good defensively would like to keep both along with Obi somehow.

If I’m the Knicks I target Thybulle from Philly who was said to be available.

 

[Knicksman20]

That's been 5 years ago and dudes still keep bringing up Mitchell's defense from college and his rookie season like he's still that same player in that aspect

It's those type of comments that are the reason why people clown Mitchell as they don't use those same talking points or excuses with other players who are trash defensively as well.

I'm not even a pro Mitchell guy or defender, but what you're choosing to ignore is he's SHOWN he's capable of being a solid defender. Whereas you take someone like Fournier or Trae Young whom NEVER had or shown that type of ability & you're lumping Mitchell with them which isn't fair because your own narrative. No one's saying he's some kind of defensive stopper, but with the right coach, schemes, & Mitchell's own mindset, it can improve more than you're giving credit to/for