"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

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The problem with the Melo trade was that they promised to pick up Billups' option and then used the amnesty on it for Chandler. The trade itself was fine value-wise and has always been a bit overblown. It's fair to wonder if they had to do the deal in the first place though...they coulda tried waiting and if the Nets got Melo then Deron Williams woulda fallen into their laps likely for less then they gave in the Melo deal.

But the Melo deal itself was never the problem IMO. It's everything else they did after.

The Melo deal fukking sucked. (I refuse to have any back and forth with the Melo apologists:scusthov:)
On a side note, it's amazing how D-Will has gotten a complete free pass in New York despite accomplishing way less and performing worse in the playoffs than Carmelo has just because he plays for the Nets.
 
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3 players and 2 picks for a top 10 player in his prime is not bad at all in hindsight. I'd make that trade all day too. Picking up Billups option then using an amnesty on him was peak stupidity. Amare was got injured proving that his knees were indeed a ticking time bomb, and it was looking like we'd be stuck and handicapped with his massive contract.... Then the Knicks were given a gift by God, an amnesty to keep in our back pocket in case Amare couldn't get back on the court, and they wasted it immediately like the dumbasses they truly were :dead: The Knicks rep for being a dumbass organization is truly deserved, and that move was a big reason why. If we never pick up the option for Billups and just amnesty Amare, we still get Chandler and we get Chris Paul the next year(iirc he would've been available). We would've made a finals or 2 with that team. Despite bungling the whole amnesty situation, we still manage to have some playoff success, in spite of our second best player being useless for years.... then we make the Bargnani trade. More dumb shyt right after our best playoff run in over a decade. Bargnani was a net negative who was on the verge of being cut, and we trade a first for him (iirc correctly our boy Leon Rose convinced Dolan to make the trade). A first that could've been used in a trade for Kyle Lowry a fee years later smh :snoop:

I really could go on, but the point is the Melo trade didn't really fukk us up, everything we did after accomplished that. We wasted that mans prime by doing dumb shyt, firing coach after coach, yet the only time fans had smoke for any of the moves the FO made during that time is when Lin got replaced by Raymond Felton- a man who did more than a adequate job of replacing him- because they thought Melo was jealous of Lin ( not us on this board though for the most part). Truly disgusting, we didnt deserve Melo on god.
 
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Randle ain’t even up for trade :lolbron:
He's bad but he's not Westbrick bad and teams know that. It's a good move for LA. Then buy out Westbricks contract and send him to Utah for lower and picks. We don't necessarily need Mitchell, we could just give Utah 2 or 3 picks in the deal.
 

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3 players and 2 picks for a top 10 player in his prime is not bad at all in hindsight. I'd make that trade all day too. Picking up Billups option then using an amnesty on him was peak stupidity. Amare was got injured proving that his knees were indeed a ticking time bomb, and it was looking like we'd be stuck and handicapped with his massive contract.... Then the Knicks were given a gift by God, an amnesty to keep in our back pocket in case Amare couldn't get back on the court, and they wasted it immediately like the dumbasses they truly were :dead: The Knicks rep for being a dumbass organization is truly deserved, and that move was a big reason why. If we never pick up the option for Billups and just amnesty Amare, we still get Chandler and we get Chris Paul the next year(iirc he would've been available). We would've made a finals or 2 with that team. Despite bungling the whole amnesty situation, we still manage to have some playoff success, in spite of our second best player being useless for years.... then we make the Bargnani trade. More dumb shyt right after our best playoff run in over a decade. Bargnani was a net negative who was on the verge of being cut, and we trade a first for him (iirc correctly our boy Leon Rose convinced Dolan to make the trade). A first that could've been used in a trade for Kyle Lowry a fee years later smh :snoop:

I really could go on, but the point is the Melo trade didn't really fukk us up, everything we did after accomplished that. We wasted that mans prime by doing dumb shyt, firing coach after coach, yet the only time fans had smoke for any of the moves the FO made during that time is when Lin got replaced by Raymond Felton- a man who did more than a adequate job of replacing him- because they thought Melo was jealous of Lin ( not us on this board though for the most part). Truly disgusting, we didnt deserve Melo on god.
Billups was CAA too: a lot of the Knicks stupidity can be traced to Leon Rose wanting to make a deal and the connection between CAA, Chase Bank, and MSG.

So if Leon is like “that is too much” I tend to agree because he has to do the robbing. This whole thing is CAA connected too bit that is another conversation.
 

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It was a bad trade…. By the time they were done they had no cap room, no trade assets, and they ended up wasting Melo's prime

So the knicks are going to go into the season with Brunson, Mitchell, and Westbrook?:comeon:
I’m assuming they’d buy him out.
 

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Why, why, why would the Lakers do this though? Trade an expiring contract for an even worse one? :stopitslime:
Like it makes no sense
Doesn't AD want to play the 4? So where does Randle even fit?
They need to get something for Westbrook and they can’t get anything. It wouldn’t just be Randle cause the money doesn’t work. It would likely be Randle, Fournier and Rose. All three players who would help the lakers more than Westbrook and are each infinitely more tradeable .
 

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The Melo deal fukking sucked. (I refuse to have any back and forth with the Melo apologists:scusthov:)
On a side note, it's amazing how D-Will has gotten a complete free pass in New York despite accomplishing way less and performing worse in the playoffs than Carmelo has just because he plays for the Nets.
:mjlol:It was Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, and Ray Felton
 

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Hahn follows my line of thinking…

U have to get relevant first. All these people talking about Brunson and Mitchell won’t win a championship.

It’s Captain Obvious shyt what the Knicks need most is relevancy and consistency.

Rome wasn’t built in a day.


Max is your typical Coli poster with a platform with this shyt. Double talk shyt.

Love it.
 

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If we can get two firsts from the Lakers I’d do this. Ship Westbrooks ass out of here with the quickness.

They should add Brooklyn to the trade, and send Kyrie to Jazz, Westbrook to Brooklyn :pachaha:

Seriously though if they can move Randle and Fournier, get Mitchell, keep it under 5 picks, and keep Toppin, Grimes or Reddish they go for it.
 
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