Deadline: Disney-Sony Standoff Ends Marvel Studios & Kevin Feige’s Involvement In ‘Spider-Man’

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What? Why? Them being all united would be similar to the comics. Most people want that.

Creative diversity matters.

You really want to condense the entirety of Marvel Comics to 3-4 annual releases with all characters having to fit into the same narratives? We wouldn't get ANYTHING like Logan, First Class, DoFP, Deadpool, and Spider-Verse if their IPs solely belonged to the MCU.
 

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Creative diversity matters.

You really want to condense the entirety of Marvel Comics to 3-4 annual releases with all characters having to fit into the same narratives? We wouldn't get ANYTHING like Logan, First Class, DoFP, Deadpool, and Spider-Verse if their IPs solely belonged to the MCU.
Yes, we also wouldn't get X-Men Origins: Wolverine, X3, X-Men Apocalypse, The Amazing Spiderman, The Amazing Spiderman 2.
And don't Marvel comics fit all characters into the same narrative? Do you like Marvel comics or nah?!
 

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Creative diversity matters.

You really want to condense the entirety of Marvel Comics to 3-4 annual releases with all characters having to fit into the same narratives? We wouldn't get ANYTHING like Logan, First Class, DoFP, Deadpool, and Spider-Verse if their IPs solely belonged to the MCU.
reppin Jersey.

it all makes sense.

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I'm still some pages back still reading the thread but I see a lot of complaints that Marvel fans/stans are rooting for mergers when we aren't. We are looking for the silver lining which is Marvel getting their characters back in the Disney/Fox situation. No one asked for a merger these companies are doing it on their own and we have 0 say.
But you see how disingenuous their arguments are because when Viacom/CBS merge or AT&T/Warner merge it's a one page thread and barely anyone is complaining. But Disney does it, it's the worst thing ever?! :rudy:
Where's the intensity across the board people?! :patrice:
 

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Cats bringing up what's fair for Marvel, Renner bringing up Stan Lee like Stan wasn't fukking Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko over:unimpressed:
 

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I'm still some pages back still reading the thread but I see a lot of complaints that Marvel fans/stans are rooting for mergers when we aren't. We are looking for the silver lining which is Marvel getting their characters back in the Disney/Fox situation. No one asked for a merger these companies are doing it on their own and we have 0 say.
But you see how disingenuous their arguments are because when Viacom/CBS merge or AT&T/Warner merge it's a one page thread and barely anyone is complaining. But Disney does it, it's the worst thing ever?! :rudy:
Where's the intensity across the board people?! :patrice:
that hate man.

i know it all too well.

do you know hard it is to ALWAYS have fresh Timbs??

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Stan Lee's Daughter Sides with Sony Over Disney in 'Spider-Man' Split


Sony's move to limit control over 'Spider-Man' -- and potentially remove the superhero entirely from Disney's Marvel Comic Universe -- is one that was necessary and something Stan would have appreciated ... so says his daughter, Joan Celia (JC) Lee.
As for how the Lees feel about it, JC tells us ... "Marvel and Disney seeking total control of my father's creations must be checked and balanced by others who, while still seeking to profit, have genuine respect for Stan Lee and his legacy." AKA ... cameos don't cut it.
She goes on ... "Whether it's Sony or someone else's, the continued evolution of Stan's characters and his legacy deserves multiple points of view."

“When my father died, no one from Marvel or Disney reached out to me. From day one, they have commoditized my father’s work and never shown him or his legacy any respect or decency.”

JC's parting words ... "In the end, no one could have treated my father worse than Marvel and Disney's executives."
 

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you nikkaz have selective memories and selective amnesia.

plus you do not know the actual property that is the topic.
to even be able to really speak about the property.
you sound just as ignorant as a big wig at sony who should be fired.

you do not know and have not done a discovery.
yet are trying to pull a Headfake like you know. When people in the know.
know you,.... DO NOT KNOW.

Stop sham'n. Yet you do not know the real record that is from either.

stop flodge'n. Except you probably do nOt know that slang either.
yet will headfake like you do. When we know you do not.

this whole I googlesed't it lying ass generation.
is gonna pay for faking being well versed.
you making yourself Vics from ignorance.

keep it up.

You gon be in steel containers just like ready player one and Elysium.







this is exactly why sony's idea that they can make Spidey versus venom work is asinine. As Spidey needs principals involved with the mcu.
just to make it work to begin with. First he has to have a boy hood teen mentor relationship with reed Richards. Not tony but reed.. Which would have happened if Sony knew wtf they were doing to begin with. Yet Sony fukked it up. So marvel had to recreate this mentor dynamic for Spider-Man. In their reboot. Then switch around the mentor mythos of reed and Pete. To pete and tony. All to fix sony and fox havinG the properties. Plus being to stoopid to do discovery and market research for these properties. Spiderman originally being a JAMES Cameron personal project btw. They ruined as well. Who wrote a realistic take that was still made into the sony movies because marvel had to step in and redo it. Just like how Cameron would have done it.
except it took five sony movies and two marvel movies instead of one Cameron movie as well. A cameron movie screen play that existed for fifteen years or more before the raimi movie was ever made. Yet were made after the fact. using a cameron amalgamated spiderman script for daredevil the movie, a rebooted daredevil tv show, punisher and a rebooted fifth and sixth spiderman movie.
film and content dynamics that already should exist.
don't for PETER and fox reed Richards. Just for starters. Next, you need Petey to be a vet. Not a kid but a vet. With the sony films. They never portray him as a vet because the films have to be rebooted to redo things. that should have taken place six movies ago in the so called sony ff, fox punisher, and fox dd, to three iterations of Spidey.

that is just to even make it make sense.

let alone cram the mythos, origins, conflict and a story arc from secret wars to Spiderman 300. That spans over amazing, webs and peter parker the spectacular spiderman.
the problem is sony are such revenu grab theives. Who cop and blow properties. Instead of actually Making a real viable sustainable acquired property and quality product.

instead of paying attention to the fact. That now marvel has fox. They can more readily set it up for a venom and Spiderman movie. Yet it takes time. As the sony spiderman is still actually a teen in the sixties. Not the late eighties to turn of the nineties grown adult newly married and successful webs book photographer. With a supermodel lead nyc level actress as a wife, peter.
With a swank condo and reed richsrds on speed dial. To solve the issue with this black goo that turned into a costume. While in space on an epic journey that is not the first.
plus, the black suit will never make sense because...LASTLY.

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THERE IS NO fukk'N ADULT REBOOTED SPIDER WOMAN. who has a more aggressive adult power set and mind set. To go with a more adult combat veteran take and to appear more aggressive as a female heroine.

of which spiderman of course as a younger guy takes a liking too.
plus of course being single is attracted to her more violent take on being a more deadly direct approach of attack as an adult who becomes spider woman. Compared to his teen to adult. figure it all out as he grows grassroots brand of heroism and action.


that is why sony not staying with marvel is stoopid. As sony needs marvel to setup PETER as a character to even face venom.
when sony has not ever setup spiderman consistently to do spider-man.
plus lacks patience and the wherewithal to understand. They need marvel to actually grow the property.
so it is viable moving forward under the sony umbrella. Sony is so revenue grab based.
THey do not understand. Spiderman is not tech. It is a property. You can not throw a new old Windows phone feature. On a now decade old iPhone gadget gimmick on spiderman. Then think you can sell a galaxy based profit every quarter you like.

if you think that. You will be exactly where dc is with Superman and Batman in less film incubation property time than both batman and Superman combined.

not to mention Have to wait some time after damaging the property into a dead defunct draw. To try again,...further pushing fixing the property as well. As peter will need to age as a film based character. Over the shelf life of sony having the rights as well.
if not,...you run into the issues. That expertly used to be navigating around by jim shooter. Then you are ina WORLD of trouble. That leads right back to why marvel does not own spiderman to begin with right now. The problem with sony is they have not done the market research on this property in full. Plus are in immediate danger of ruining the property into a dead defunct draw in another cash revenue grab attempt with spiderman.

spiderman is not a galaxy.

he can not just be rebooted as a note or sony xperia.


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You keep on mentioning Marvel but the problem isnt marvel its disney. marvel doesnt own fox, disney owns fox. As long as disney has a hand in the MCU we will never see anything close to venom/dark knight adult themed movie..it will always be kid stuff or kid friendly...which is ok...but Im tired of the kid/teen stuff with spiderman..look at what they did to star wars

doesnt matter how many movies/years you gave Tom Holland to grow he will never look the part of adult peter parker

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Theres no need to have 10-15 spiderman films like disney is doing over saturating the market

3-4 films max, do a quick origin the first hour like batman begins..then time jump 15-20 years and put him right into the action lets get to it
 

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Who we got to play Miles tho ? Jaden Smith ?:russ:

Not too many adolescent afrocentric looking dudes who could pass as puerto rican in Hollywood

Lmao. Remember bro, he has to be half black too. But damn you're right. I think Jaden would be a good pick of he could act lol. I haven't seen him in The Get Down though.
 

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You keep on mentioning Marvel but the problem isnt marvel its disney. marvel doesnt own fox, disney owns fox. As long as disney has a hand in the MCU we will never see anything close to venom/dark knight adult themed movie..it will always be kid stuff or kid friendly...which is ok...but Im tired of the kid/teen stuff with spiderman..look at what they did to star wars

doesnt matter how many movies/years you gave Tom Holland to grow he will never look the part of adult peter parker

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Theres no need to have 10-15 spiderman films like disney is doing over saturating the market

3-4 films max, do a quick origin the first hour like batman begins..then time jump 15-20 years and put him right into the action lets get to it
Does it make business sense to cut out the biggest demo; kids from the viewing audience of a Spiderman movie? No, that's why Sony never did what you are asking so how are you acting like it is on the horizon? It never was.
 

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mcu stans have the brain cells of a 5 year old.. dummies pushing for a monopoly over comic book characters.

''yeah fukk peoples jobs, careers, creativity, competition... 'muricaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa we want wolverine and spidey play tic tac toe''

Some people just want to see Spider-Man in the MCU. That's all. When Sony Pictures was on the brink of selling itself a few years ago they cut a bunch of jobs anyway. This happens in Hollywood regardless. The idea of siding with either company is ridiculous. Disney is the bigger fish but Sony is out here trying to eat too. If they could be as big and successful as Disney they would do the same.
 

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Yes, we also wouldn't get X-Men Origins: Wolverine, X3, X-Men Apocalypse, The Amazing Spiderman, The Amazing Spiderman 2.
And don't Marvel comics fit all characters into the same narrative?


You tell me. Do Marvel comics only come out as installments for an overaching plot like the MCU?

And do I really have to list the trash/mediocrity MCU has put out. :comeon:
 

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You tell me. Do Marvel comics only come out as installments for an overaching plot like the MCU?

And do I really have to list the trash/mediocrity MCU has put out. :comeon:
So you are saying every Marvel movie ties directly into the overarching plot? Not true.
Do what you want man, doesn't mean I have to agree with your opinion of said movies either. :unimpressed: They have made many mediocre ones yes, but they have never made a 'trash' movie IMO.
 
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