David Jaffe "Spiderman 2: Is Sony Formula Getting Stale" (Update: He Upset)

[Fatboi1]

All jokes aside no matter what any filthy fukking Xbot or sidekick stan like @daze23 says or thinks, "Sony" games tend to score higher and are way more successful by all metrics compared to the competition.

Compare the output of Sony games from just the PS3 gen up until now both critically and commercially and you'd have to be smoking that Joe Biden pack because I don't know what the fukk you're talking about at this point. It's mumbo jumbo.


Yeah you think they're all movie games? They're casual, stale, cinematic? Whatever. Shut the fukk up, nobody cares doofus.

Like Meach said:

Millions of gamers disagree with you

 

[MeachTheMonster]

All jokes aside no matter what any filthy fukking Xbot or sidekick stan like @daze23 says or thinks, "Sony" games tend to score higher and are way more successful by all metrics compared to the competition.

Compare the output of Sony games from just the PS3 gen up until now both critically and commercially and you'd have to be smoking that Joe Biden pack because I don't know what the fukk you're talking about at this point. It's mumbo jumbo.


Yeah you think they're all movie games? They're casual, stale, cinematic? Whatever. Shut the fukk up, nobody cares doofus.

Like Meach said:

Justin Bieber got higher scores than Nasir Jones

You think JB is the Goat, that’s on you

 

[Half A $]

Have you been living under a rock the past 24 hours. The numbers proved Xbox is more financially successful than Sony.

Sony boys in Shambles. What an angry post. We sell 100 million plastics ass outta here

Are you really that stupid Leasy? The company you stan hasn't even published how many consoles it sells through in the last ten years, they pay millions upon millions for a loss leading gamepass and still have half the amount of subs compared to Sony while spending 77 billion on studios.

lmao @ getting fooled by "hollywood accounting".

I'm guessing Chelsea would be your EPL team if you followed football/soccer.

 

[The Mad Titan]

What exclusives y'all playing on PlayStation right now?

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

What exclusives y'all playing on PlayStation right now?

Yall are slow. Its not about having non-stop exclusive releases, its about having high quality exclusives on top of guaranteed multiplatform game releases, especially japanese games.

It just so happens sony and nintendo have the best first party games so it leaves little need to buy anything else. Especially if you have a PC. Yall happy xbox are releasing games but the majority of them shyts been trash that no ones playing, thats not what people talk about with ‘exclusives’.

Minecraft legends, redfall, age of empire ports? Like no one cares about that shyt

“But but but sea of thieves though!” Right, absolutely no one here plays or cares about the type of trash yall always name drop. No. One. Cares.

“sony stans” that talk about first party games all play them, the same can’t be said about Larry’s. It took heaven and earth for you and meach to care enough about starfield

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Yall are slow. Its not about having non-stop exclusive releases, its about having high quality exclusives on top of guaranteed multiplatform game releases, especially japanese games.

It just so happens sony and nintendo have the best first party games so it leaves little need to buy anything else. Especially if you have a PC. Yall happy xbox are releasing games but the majority of them shyts been trash that no ones playing, thats not what people talk about with ‘exclusives’.

Minecraft legends, redfall, age of empire ports? Like no one cares about that shyt

“But but but sea of thieves though!” Right, absolutely no one here plays or cares about the type of trash yall always name drop. No. One. Cares.

“sony stans” they talk about first party games all play them, the same can’t be said about Larry’s

Crazy

 

[Half A $]

What exclusives y'all playing on PlayStation right now?

Games I'm playing you can't play on lamebox are Genshin, BG3 & FF16

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

What exclusives y'all playing on PlayStation right now?

This is rich, give them Starfield and they act brand new.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

Crazy

One game is relatively newer than the other by a few years not to mention is a game that is designed to be ongoing in terms of play style. Anyone who wanted to play Spiderman like that would have played it in 2018 when it was released. The delay with Sony exclusives hitting PC years down the line means some PC players would have experienced it on the console already. I know shock horror but PC players also own consoles.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

One game is relatively newer than the other by a few years not to mention is a game that is designed to be ongoing in terms of play style. Anyone who wanted to play Spiderman like that would have played it in 2018 when it was released. The delay with Sony exclusives hitting PC years down the line means some PC players would have experienced it on the console already. I know shock horror but PC players also own consoles.

Sound like a lot of jewelzing to me.

AOE has actually been out longer on PC than spiderman, It’s also available on xbox and for “free” on gamepass.

Yet according to y’all nobody plays AOE while everybody loves spider-man.

You goofies just live in your sony stan bubble and think everyone else is doing the same

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

Sound like a lot of jewelzing to me.

AOE has actually been out longer on PC than spiderman, It’s also available on xbox and for “free” on gamepass.

You goofies just live in your sony stan bubble and think everyone else is doing the same

Sounds like juelzing? Well we have already established you are lacking when it comes to comprehension. You bypassed what I said and wrote it of as juelzing when common sense will tell you that a game released in 2018 won’t be played as much years down the line because people would have already accessed it via the means it was originally available by (Sony console).


We just saw what exclusives can do for a system in midfield, imagine the game was solely on Xbox and didn’t have a simultaneous release with the PC. Guarantee you that if it was to hit PC years later the numbers would be relatively smaller on account of people who wanted the game going out and buying an Xbox years before. Despite the simultaneous release with PC look what Starfield did in boosting sales for the Xbox now just imagine it was Xbox only.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Sound like a lot of jewelzing to me.

AOE has actually been out longer on PC than spiderman, It’s also available on xbox and for “free” on gamepass.

Yet according to y’all nobody plays AOE while everybody loves spider-man.

You goofies just live in your sony stan bubble and think everyone else is doing the same

I said yall don’t play it, as in you and the other Larry’s on this forum. Show me YOUR playtime on it

I don’t think theres any “sony stans” here that will brag about first party titles they don’t play

 

[MajesticLion]

 

[Eternally Jaded]

Bro .


it plays mostly different compared to previous spiderman games and has a REALLY nice story.

What more do you want ? some arthouse shyt?

its ok for games TO BE GAMES.

He wants more mechanic driven gameplay.

Risk and physics based web slinging. Fall damage rather than surviving a jump off the WTC.

Less "momentary cool" game design, ala the qte where Spider-Man was being dragged up the building by the Lizard that a player can't replicate outside that moment.

His complaint is a common one for cinematic games, where they feel very sanded down ie automated.

BG3, TOTK, Elden Ring all are very gamey ass games, where mechanical density is king.
Hence his early shout out of Returnal.

Some people love a for awesome games. Others did but have now grown bored. Jaffe seems to be the latter.

 

[Fatboi1]

Less "momentary cool" game design, ala the qte where Spider-Man was being dragged up the building by the Lizard that a player can't replicate outside that moment.

That type of "momentary cool" is not even fraction of the game. The bulk of it is swinging from A to B, fighting some enemies, a cool boss fight if it's there and some story beats. Outside of these specific big boss fight moments, the game is "gamey" as hell and even then why would you expect a Spider-man game not to have some cool moments like that for Spider-Man? This isn't Super Mario Bros.


Like it's even stupid when you phrase it like that, if this "QTE" scene wasn't in the game, it'd just be a cutscene which would then elicit the same moronic response of "This game has too many cutscenes!"

If you remove that as well, you're basically asking for a sandbox to just do whatever with no context, no real story and barely any narrative but then the game would be panned for being devoid of any narrative. Zelda, Elden Ring or Souls games being compared to that game is silly because those games aren't necessarily narrative-driven games. This then exposes the dishonest discussion around these games because these "complaints" of "Cinematic Sony games" are one of many games they make.

Returnal, Knack, Astrobot, Gran Turismo, Sackboy A Big Adventure, Dreams, Destruction All Stars, Ghosts of Tsushima, Horizon Call of the Mountain and the Mainline games, Ratchet and Clank and many more are all "gamey ass games", with an emphasis on mechanic driven gameplay, are from Sony 1st party studios, are all different from one another and lastly are a far cry from the "cinematic game" connotation that is used negatively when speaking about Sony developed or co-developed/published titles.

In reality, the "cinematic" Sony game is in reality just an aspect of a few games e.g. Uncharted/TLOU, God of War and the latter is a very mechanic driven game and whatnot. You don't just press a button and win in God of War especially when you're doing some of the side content. There's literally no Sony game I've played where it was basically a QTE simulator or automated. Nobody can sit with a straight face and play TLOU and say it plays worse than every other third person shooter. It literal excels because it not only looks amazing, it plays and feels amazing hence why the first game had a MP mode that still is being played to this day and the second one is in development as it’s own game.

Sony literally dropped VR2 which is 100% mechanic driven and these Xcels yapping about gameplay. lol


The things people try to complain about are usually stupid stuff that no one in reality cares about but just brings up to create a faux critique because everything else is done so well. Uncharted 2~4 for the time had excellent shooting mechanics and a cover system that also looked beautiful while playing. Gears did the same thing but nobody ever calls Gears stale.