Damon Dash: Jay-Z ruined Roc-a-Fella (Responds to Bleek's Drink Champs Clip)

[eastsideTT]

man I have a friend who is exactly like Dame and the shyt is exhausting. I can only handle being around him for a couple minutes at a time. you can't tell him nothing and a 'conversation' is just him talking at you,usually some crazy far fetched idea, peppered with "because I'm a boss" and "that's what bosses do.." throughout the whole thing. My friend only thrives in drama or when he is fighting someone or something, that's the only time he is comfortable. I have so much respect for the balls, confidence, work ethic and ambition but at the end of the day my dude has no balance, no filter and a closed, hard head. Watching a Dame interview reminds me so much of him its crazy. I love how easy people like Dame and my friend make things sound too, taking a really complex thing and making it sound mad simple... "okay, you just get yourself some money right... flip it, then flip it again... and now you have 3x the money... and then you open a business, and you start a twitter and promote yourself on line. its easy my dude..."

again i really respect the confidence and ambition and attitude but at the same time im just like

people like my friend, and dame, either experience wild success or end up getting flattop'ed and alienating EVERYONE in the process of crashing and burning

i never heard of or seen ONE person wear this dusko poppington shyt either

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

No, you're shyt poster for refusing to admit when you're wrong. You're a shyt poster for being sneaky and dishonest over something trivial. This isn't about you saying "Jay Z isn't what he was on rocafella". This is about you saying that Jay Z is just a rapper. Nobody in their right mind would agree with that obviously false statement. Instead of just admitting that you're wrong or acknowledging that you misspoke and clarifying yourself, you double down on the dumb shyt. That's shyt posting.

Sneaky and dishonest? You are not being serious right? You quoted me saying that he is lacking the team he had at Roc-A-Fella originally. Here it is..

Jay-z, while still successful, does not have a team like he did at Roc-A-Fella. He went back to just being a rapper again, which is fine and working out well. Just that he never rebuild a Roc-a-fella after and Dame still hasn't created another Jay.

That's exactly what I've said to you over and over. I think plenty of people would agree that Jay-z is not on top of Hip Hop as the Michael Jordan of the best team in the league. He is just a rapper now, he has no squad.

I am not wrong in saying that Jay-z has no real team anymore. Whether you think that makes him better off is your opinion. There is no facts in opinions on situations we know very little about breh, don't play yourself. Stop being in your feelings because I won't respond the way YOU want.

 

[Paradise50]

Dame need to stfu nikka was burning bridges left and right while jay mended them to protect his own interest. Don't blame Jay at all for moving on. Dame would still be getting money with Jay if he put his ego to the side. He wanted to be a heel Diddy and there wasn't a lane for it.

 

[The Emperor]

Roc Nation is a management company that other people run, same with Tidal. Roc Nation manages big names like DJ Mustard after the fact. Roc-A-Fella records blew up a Kanye West. You guys don't see the difference? Roc Nation isn't finding the next Beanie Sigel. They are trying to sign already established artists.

Again, how is Tidal and Roc Nation comparable to Roc-A-Fella records, one of the greatest Hip Hop labels of all time and during its 'run'

Jay owns them both...
You are being purposely dense...

 

[RatherUnique]

Dame ain't smiled since 2002

 

[Paradise50]

name someone he crafted...
...or a business that he grew since Roc.

Kanye/Kevin Hart arent Dame creations...those dudes grinded and made their own way.

Im not a Dame hater...but he needs to be more self aware.
If he could slow down, admit some of his fuk ups, and be just a tad bit humble he would be able to come back...but nobody is going to give someone like him the time of day.

Kanye would've never got his shot as a rapper w/o Dame giving him a shot. Probably pained Ye to side w/ Jay but he knew Dame had burned too many industry folks

All Jay Z had is Rihanna,Jeezy and Ross??

What?....nikka.

This nikka said it like Rihanna ain't put millions of dollars into Jay' s account. Jeezy dropped mad heat with his first 2 album. Ross BEEN dropping heat since 06

This nikka said all he had was Rihanna Jeezy and Ross

Put some respeck on Jay name playboy

Jeezy didn't need a Hov cosign

that nikka was dominating the clubs/radio before TM101 dropped

 

[Paradise50]

With the Curren$y talk, you know how many classics and buzz Curren$y had before that Dame shyt? he didn't advance nada, just stole his money.

I agree but I will give Dame credit w/ Creative Control. Vids were dope and spitta def picked up more fans b/t pilot talk 1 and 2 which were through Dame's label.

I've been a spitta fan since his new no limit days btw (not that it matters )

 

[Deutsche Bank]

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Jay owns them both...
You are being purposely dense...

I am the one being dense but you purposely didn't read what you quoted from me. Jay owning them both means nothing in terms of Hip Hop. What does him partially owning a Non-Hip Hop label have to do with me saying that he doesn't have the same team around him he did before? I didn't say he was unsuccessful, I said the opposite. You quoted me saying he was successful

Again, Jay-z has no real team around him now. Before he was Michael Jordan with The Bulls with the music to match. I don't understand why you are upset I am saying Roc-A-Fella was great and Roc Nation not so much. Do you work at Roc Nation?

 

[Juliano Soprano]

I agree but I will give Dame credit w/ Creative Control. Vids were dope and spitta def picked up more fans b/t pilot talk 1 and 2 which were through Dame's label.

I've been a spitta fan since his new no limit days btw (not that it matters )

So you think PTI and PTII wouldn't exist if he wouldn't of signed? Dame didn't find him on the streets looking for a deal, Spitta was established, he would've signed somewhere else and put out the PT's without Dame guaranteed...I'll give him some props for creative control...My fav video was from them (flying iron), but all that was is clips from Golgo 13 mixed with them smokin and chillin, basically every Spitta video lol

 

[Paradise50]

So you think PTI and PTII wouldn't exist if he wouldn't of signed? Dame didn't find him on the streets looking for a deal, Spitta was established, he would've signed somewhere else and put out the PT's without Dame guaranteed...I'll give him some props for creative control...My fav video was from them (flying iron), but all that was is clips from Golgo 13 mixed with them smokin and chillin, basically every Spitta video lol

Dame the reason Spitta even got access to Ski Beatz and the Electronica/Mos Def features

the whole live instrumentation thing was Dame's idea. Dame honestly had a good thing going w/ DD/Creative Control but he was being funny with money so it fell apart.


Hell once spitta bounced that's when he started getting legit major label looks so Dame def was doing something right. He just got too greedy and fukked over the artist

 

[AMcV'88]

Dame's still clearly hurt at what Jay did to him it's clear.

Dame fought and attacked everybody so all Jay had to do was just whisper something and it would get done. literally ruining every relationship he possibly could have had with major players in the process (along with screaming at the Weinsteins in public, one of the most powerful guys in Hollywood) and in the end Jay made the move because he was so established now, he didn't need Dame to do those things anymore..everyone was at his beck and call.

Jay and Dame were perfect for each other back then but at the right time he Michael Corleone'd the situation and we've seen what happened since.

 

[Juliano Soprano]

Dame the reason Spitta even got access to Ski Beatz and the Electronica/Mos Def features

the whole live instrumentation thing was Dame's idea. Dame honestly had a good thing going w/ DD/Creative Control but he was being funny with money so it fell apart.


Hell once spitta bounced that's when he started getting legit major label looks so Dame def was doing something right. He just got too greedy and fukked over the artist

Didn't think about the Features and the live instrumentation being Dame idea, you got this breh props

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Clearly they both ruined it with their egos.

Dame Dash got the biggest L but Jay-z, while still successful, does not have a team like he did at Roc-A-Fella. He went back to just being a rapper again, which is fine and working out well. Just that he never rebuild a Roc-a-fella after and Dame still hasn't created another Jay.

what team is jay missing? He doesn't care to promote artist like that, so he will never have a crew ever again where he would have to do ground work and be at radio stations wit them. He has a dream team of executives around him that he comfortable wit and run roc nation like a label, not none of that we family shyt.

 

[Master Teacher]

Dame is a clown, It's sad because I use to look up to Dame, and it turns out he was nothing but a fraud ass c00n.

Jay-Z signed most the rocafella artist, , matter of fact he told Lyor who to sign Dame ain't never sign shyt, Rocafella wasn't a real record label it was an imprint Dame was never a boss like lyor or LA Reid.

Rocafella was ruined, Rocafelle was Jay-Z, State Property was never popular, Camron went platinum only when he was playing back up to Jay-Z

that's like giving D12 credit for going platinum or Obie Trice when you know goddamn well it was because of the Eminem association

same with camron, kanye, and Dipset.

If Jay-Z was the head nikka in charge, and cosigned Kanye he never would blew up. If he was on any other label under a lesser artist he never would've made it, Jay-Z cosigned and made him cool. Dame ain't cosign anybody HE IS NOT A RAPPER HE DON'T MAKE MUSIC.

Dame did not believe in Kanye lmao, he wanted to make an album where Camron and everybody else rapped on his beats, he said this himself, nobody believed in Kanye has a rap artist.

Kanye put up his own MONEY. He was rich because Jay-Z made hits and he produced them, which is why Kanye had the money to make his own video for Through the Wire. Kanye been rapping since the 90's, he even battled common, he been trying to be a rapper. He almost got a deal from capitol as a rapper., when they renigged, that's when Dame decided to sign them only because some cac took interest, but he mainly wanted his beats.

Dame basically wanted to sign for his beats can be for his artist lmao, he admits
Kanye blew himself up.