Curry is on track to surpass MJ, better than Lebron.

[Professor Emeritus]

that would be 9 championships he’d be the G.O.A.T. far and away if that happens.

Claims like this are nonsense - you're insisting that a team accomplishment determines how good he was individually without even knowing how he performed in this hypothetical.

For all you know, two years from now 36yo Steph has had some injuries and is used as a spot 6th man while Wiggins, Poole, and some steal they get in the draft develop into their new core with Klay and Draymond providing essential support. Perhaps Steph averages 12ppg off the bench as a dangerous shooter/floor spacer and the Warriors win another title. Why should that elevate him over guys like LeBron and MJ?

 

[Diondon]

NGL Curry's punk ass giving up that 3-1 lead
is what put the battery in the back of these Bron weirdos
so fukk him

 

[ISO]

Claims like this are nonsense - you're insisting that a team accomplishment determines how good he was individually without even knowing how he performed in this hypothetical.

For all you know, two years from now 36yo Steph has had some injuries and is used as a spot 6th man while Wiggins, Poole, and some steal they get in the draft develop into their new core with Klay and Draymond providing essential support. Perhaps Steph averages 12ppg off the bench as a dangerous shooter/floor spacer and the Warriors win another title. Why should that elevate him over guys like LeBron and MJ?

Why would we assume he’d be a 6th man?

Steph is a monster individually.

Obviously we’d be assuming he would be the driving force behind the championships with Finals MVP’s sprinkled in.

It’s not realistic at all for him to win that many more rings but if the narrative is no matter what he does he’s not the G.O.A.T. or he’s not better than those guys—no I don’t agree.

 

[NormanConnors]

Terrible thread and opinion

 

[NormanConnors]

The coli would fukkin melt if Curry win the next 2 chips

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And dont even get me started on draymond. Depending on the narrative, he's either the best warrior or worst

You just sabatogued your own argument.

Draymond is a 4x All-Star including this season, 2x All-NBA, 7x All-Defensive, and DPOY, and yet the Warriors roster is stacked enough that people will argue that he's only the 5th most important player on the team.

Put him on the Nets and he's immediately the 2nd or 3rd most important player, no questions at all.

the 2022 were not stacked. that's revisionist history. They were projected to miss the playoffs, and weren't seen as contenders when the season started.

If they were so stacked, why weren’t they projected to make the playoffs? It’s revisionist history

This is false. ESPN projected 48 wins for the Warriors and most of the teams projected ahead of them (Lakers, Nuggets, and Mavs) ended up having serious injury issues. Caesar's projected 48.5 wins.

The only teams who were projected to finish ahead of them that didn't end up with a major player missing were the Jazz and the Suns. Obviously the Suns did finish 11 games ahead of them but collapsed against the Mavs in the playoffs, while the Jazz never really got it together yet still finished just 4 games behind them.


The weirdest part, though, is that the Warriors didn't exceed expectations in the regular season because of Steph. Steph didn't even look great for most of the season. They exceeded expectations because Wiggins continued to develop and Poole made a leap. Those two factors plus having the entire team healthy for the postseason is why their roster by the end of the year looked far better than what anyone else was offering outside of Boston.

 

[Trojan 24]

12 players in front of Steph

They literally ignoring Steph has taken 3 chips off their GOAT, 3

 

[Trojan 24]

steph has to pass kobe before he gets anywhere near the conversation of being compared to lebron.

If he gets to 5 I'll put him over both

 

[MyApps]

You the same mofo than said it was a wrap for him winning chips too..

Did I? When?

And if so, if Curry proved me wrong are you saying I shouldn't trust him to win ever again?

People can learn from their mistakes. Are you different?

 

[KidJSoul]

You getting mad because I'm stating facts? Lmaoooo

Yall had 3 Allstars. Only team in the league that had that much. Then yall had Thompson, Poole and other great role players in Payton, Porter, Looney etc.

99% of the league would kill for a roster like that.

Wiggins was considered one of the worst all-star starters in recent memory, and only got in because Kawhi missed the whole year and PG played like 25 games before the all star break. He's great defender, and gives you 17 a game..
Nothing less, but nothing more.

Klay took time getting back into the groove of things post injury and missed like half the season

Poole was inconsistent for much of the year and only got hot at the end of the season. Even in the playoffs, he would disappear at timed and play bad defense.

Draymond is Draymond. Great defender, but would not be able to start on most teams without a player like Curry that draws so much attention AND runs around, giving Draymond easy passing opportunities.

Don't even gotta bring up GP2.

Bro, my fukking team played them in the finals. Draymond looked TERRIBLE for the half series, and had to get benched at the end of game 4. That's with him being as good as he is defensively. Klay was a mess, had like 2 good games.

There's a REASON Grant Williams said we were the better team. Because roster wise we were more talented.

The difference is that Curry played well, and the team plays cohesively with Curry and becomes better than the sum of their parts with Curry's shooting and gravity.

Calling this Warriors team stacked is silly. Very few had them going to theFinals. Heck, I was high on them, but even I had my doubts.

After game 1 I thought it was a wrap

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Why would we assume he’d be a 6th man?

I didn't assume anything. I'm saying we have literally no idea what role Steph will have individually for the next 5 years, so how can you claim you know for certain what his individual legacy would be solely based on his team accomplishments?

Two years from now the Warriors could have 3-4 all-stars without Steph. So I wouldn't assume anything based off of team performance alone. Even if Steph is a great, all-star level starter in 2 years, does it not make a difference whether the team is carried by him or carried by an ensemble cast?


Imagine if 2010-2014 had worked out differently for the Heat. Let's imagine that Wade and Bosh never get hurt, Wade continues in his 2009 form while Bosh makes a bit of a leap. Bron steps back to let them both shine and acts as the distributor and 3rd option, let's say he averages 20-8-8 and has a couple nice playoff games but nothing remarkable. The Heat win 4 straight titles.

Then he goes to the Cavs, Kyrie and Love never get hurt and Durant never goes to the Warriors, Bron continues to defer. Over the next 6 years the Cavs win 3 titles with Kyrie winning 2 Finals MVPs and Bron gets his first one.

Bron would have 7 rings. Would that leave Bron with a better all-time legacy than he has, just because he had more rings? Would he now be better than MJ?


That's why basing all-time future claims on "If they get this many rings then...." is stupid. Rings are a team accomplishment. If you don't know the circumstances, and you don't even know how they played, how can you be certain you know their legacy?

 

[murksiderock]

I didn't assume anything. I'm saying we have literally no idea what role Steph will have individually for the next 5 years, so how can you claim you know for certain what his individual legacy would be solely based on his team accomplishments?

Two years from now the Warriors could have 3-4 all-stars without Steph. So I wouldn't assume anything based off of team performance alone. Even if Steph is a great, all-star level starter in 2 years, does it not make a difference whether the team is carried by him or carried by an ensemble cast?


Imagine if 2010-2014 had worked out differently for the Heat. Let's imagine that Wade and Bosh never get hurt, Wade continues in his 2009 form while Bosh makes a bit of a leap. Bron steps back to let them both shine and acts as the distributor and 3rd option, let's say he averages 20-8-8 and has a couple nice playoff games but nothing remarkable. The Heat win 4 straight titles.

Then he goes to the Cavs, Kyrie and Love never get hurt and Durant never goes to the Warriors, Bron continues to defer. Over the next 6 years the Cavs win 3 titles with Kyrie winning 2 Finals MVPs and Bron gets his first one.

Bron would have 7 rings. Would that leave Bron with a better all-time legacy than he has, just because he had more rings? Would he now be better than MJ?


That's why basing all-time future claims on "If they get this many rings then...." is stupid. Rings are a team accomplishment. If you don't know the circumstances, and you don't even know how they played, how can you be certain you know their legacy?

People do these dream hypotheticals for everyone besides LeBron ...

What if LeBron wins the next 5 championships ?

 

[Don Homer]

You just sabatogued your own argument.

Draymond is a 4x All-Star including this season, 2x All-NBA, 7x All-Defensive, and DPOY, and yet the Warriors roster is stacked enough that people will argue that he's only the 5th most important player on the team.

Put him on the Nets and he's immediately the 2nd or 3rd most important player, no questions at all.






This is false. ESPN projected 48 wins for the Warriors and most of the teams projected ahead of them (Lakers, Nuggets, and Mavs) ended up having serious injury issues. Caesar's projected 48.5 wins.

The only teams who were projected to finish ahead of them that didn't end up with a major player missing were the Jazz and the Suns. Obviously the Suns did finish 11 games ahead of them but collapsed against the Mavs in the playoffs, while the Jazz never really got it together yet still finished just 4 games behind them.


The weirdest part, though, is that the Warriors didn't exceed expectations in the regular season because of Steph. Steph didn't even look great for most of the season. They exceeded expectations because Wiggins continued to develop and Poole made a leap. Those two factors plus having the entire team healthy for the postseason is why their roster by the end of the year looked far better than what anyone else was offering outside of Boston.

I didnt sabotage anything

People argue that he's a scrub. When the warriors are successful, they say the team is stacked. When the Warriors struggle, Draymond is washed.

But I thought Draymond Green was a superstar and excels under pressure

But I thought Bubba Gump was a superstar :ohhh: But I thought Bubba Gump was better than Rodman and would outplay him :ohhh: But I thought Bubba Gump could guard Kareem :ohhh: But I thought Bubba Gump likes performing under pressure and feeds off the boos :ohhh: Let's all laugh at...

www.thecoli.com

Is Draymond a glorified Bismack Biyombo?

Is Kareem/Shaq stopper Draymond looking funny in the light? :jbhmm: PTS 9.1 REB 6.2 PER 13.90 Vs PTS 7.6 REB 4.8 PER 18.31

www.thecoli.com

Wiggins made the all-star team this season, and NO ONE outside of Warriors fans agreed with it. Said he only made it because of KPop voters.

Multiple outlets predicted the warriors to not even make the playoffs, or finish in play-in range.

Which outlets projected the warriors to be contenders before the season started?


The roster wasn't stacked, but they were a good team. Being a good team doesnt mean you're roster is stacked. The 2022 warriors just played well together.

The Nets had the "most skilled duo of all time". They were stacked. Even without Harden, the Celtics/Nets series was supposed to be a classic. Then the Nets got swept like bytches. So now everyone wants to act like they weren't that good after the fact. The warriors didn't have anything like that going into the season. They were questioned EVERY step of the way.

18-2 record: "they had an easy schedule. Wait until they play the Bulls and the Nets"

Even had dumbasses on ESPN say their window closed/they're too old, etc. But now that they're winning, the roster is "stacked"

That's why steph got petty with those espn moron in all his interviews. Because no1 picked them to make it to the finals, and they got the fukking chip.

fukk outta here. Durant was the ONLY superstar who couldn't have a great individual GAME against the celtics. Giannis did it, Steph did, even Jimmy fukking butler did it (and Jimmy's roster was plagued with injuries to PJ Tucker, Tyler Herro who was the 6thMOTY, and Kyle Lowry). And The heat STILL took boston to 7 games.

Face it, with all that, Durant wasn't able to even get a single game.


If Durant dominated, I'd understand your point. But he went out like a bytch. He shot sub-40% and had 5 turnovers a game. Why? because all KD can do is score. He's an extremely predictable offensive player. The Celtics were able to knock him off his spots and throw bodies at him because Ime Udoka wasnt scared of him weak playmaking. He doesn't make anyone better on that team, he just scores at an elite level. And when you take that away, the nikka is cooked. He looked soft as fukk through those 4 games

Now take Steph, who is about 6-7 months older than KD, play that same historic defense, and absolutely cook them, and not face elimination at all. Hell, the Celtics wouldve lost in 5 games if they didnt have the luckiest 4th quarter shooting of all time.

 

[Collateral]

People stuck on stat lines, which is cool but then you could make a case for Malone and Westbrook. Curry winning championships overshadows Lebron's legacy because he's sharing what should firmly be his era. You can't be a goat without dominating. Lebron shared his era with Curry and to a lesser extent a healthy Kawhi. It doesn't matter if you do it with 12 rebounds or 1, winning is winning.

This is ridiculous, all the greats had to share their era with another all time great.

Wilt/Russell
Magic/Bird
Shaq/Hakeem/Ewing
Kobe/Duncan/AI
LeBron/KD/Curry

All of those guys dominated the respective era they shared. You count championships but it takes 10-12 guys to win the chip. Who was the man of their era should be defined on how they impacted the game. Everybody had a pair of LeBron’s at one point. Everybody had a #8 Bryant jersey at one point. Everybody wants to shoot like Steph. How you impact the game on and off the court matters, and it doesn’t have to be only 1 guy as “the man”

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Wiggins was considered one of the worst all-star starters in recent memory, and only got in because Kawhi missed the whole year and PG played like 25 games before the all star break. He's great defender, and gives you 17 a game..
Nothing less, but nothing more.

Klay took time getting back into the groove of things post injury and missed like half the season

Poole was inconsistent for much of the year and only got hot at the end of the season. Even in the playoffs, he would disappear at timed and play bad defense.

Draymond is Draymond. Great defender, but would not be able to start on most teams without a player like Curry that draws so much attention AND runs around, giving Draymond easy passing opportunities.

Claiming that Draymond wouldn't be able to start on most teams without Curry is nonsense. A defender of his caliber with 0 offensive skill would still start, and he often benefits his team offensively as well with his passing. Off the top of my head the Celtics, Heat, and Bucks are the only squads that might not have started him this year, depending on how they wanted to play.

Most of the rest of what you say is accurate, and it still adds up to a stacked team.

Steph was an MVP candidate
Wiggins was a legitimate all-star even if he was a weak all-star starter
Draymond was an all-star and DPOY candidate
Klay took time getting back and yet was still a 20ppg scorer and elite shooter
Poole did get hot and was near a 20ppg scorer himself


It wasn't like the Warriors ripped up the league all season, they only won 53 games. But at the end of the year, they had a stacked roster. And the lineups they ended up facing in the West were ass.

Denver with no Murray or MPJ
Memphis with no Ja
Dallas with no Porzingis or Hardaway


Give me a fukking break with that shyt. Golden State was favored by a mile in all three of those matchups.

There's a REASON Grant Williams said we were the better team. Because roster wise we were more talented.

Your team averaged 92ppg in your 4 Finals losses. That doesn't have jack shyt to do with Curry.

Your team shot 37% with 18 turnovers, 40% with 15 turnovers, 41% with 18 turnovers, and 42% with 22 turnovers in your 4 Finals losses. That doesn't have jack shyt to do with Curry.

Your star player was 24 for 76 (31%) from 2pt range for the series. From TWO-POINT range. That isn't Curry.


Warriors (especially Wiggins and Draymond) played great defense but y'all also screwed the pooch. Curry had a terrific Finals but if y'all hadn't played like ass on offense it would have been a different series.