Curry is on track to surpass MJ, better than Lebron.
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You destroyed your own argument again. Who gives a fukk about Coli threads, how about we look at the actual voting?
Players ranked Draymond as #3 frontcourt and Wiggins as #5
Media ranked Draymond as #4 frontcourt and Wiggins as #6
So both the players and the media CLEARLY have Draymond and Wiggins as All-Stars this year. In fact the players would have had Draymond starting!!!
The Warriors objectively had 3 all-stars this year, the only such team in the NBA, and neither the players nor the media had any doubt that all three deserved it. Then they had a 20ppg guy and an 18ppg guy as their 4th and 5th players, and were solid 8-deep.
Reality biting you in the ass.
Wiggins made the all-star team because Kawhi and PG were injured. If he was a legit all-star, more teams would have tried to get him 2 years ago
The warriors beating the grizzlies doesnt mean their roster is stacked.
Dallas traded porzingis for bertans and Spender Dinwiddie (who were healthy). Why the fukk would "no porzingis" be a factor. And Tim Hardaway was having an AWFUL season before he got injured. He was a bad defender and before he got injured, he was shooting the ball like shyt
so wtf are you talking about, really?
Steph's presence makes the team better, and makes them more impactful when he shares the court with them. That is why the team looks stacked. You saw what Durant, Klay, and Draymond looked like when they didnt have steph in that stretch in the 2018-19 season. They went sub-.500 in the games steph didnt play.
And this is why Steph is better than KD.
genius, Wiggins wouldn't have made it if Kawhi and PG, the premiere SF's in the west, were healthy. Wiggins was the next best choice
The players/media wouldve have voted for PG and Kawhi if they were available.
imagine tryna discredit the warriors for drafting well. And just looking at PPG is a dumbass way to even asses roster talent. Klay had 20ppg but he looked incredibly inconsistent throughout the season. BECAUSE HE CAME BACK FROM MISSING 2 YEARS FROM LOWER BODY INJURIES. And Poole scored 18ppg but was an awful defender. And at times in the playoffs he would have terrible nights.
How do you consider yourself smart just by looking at PPG totals and saying the roster is stacked?
A team that is "stacked" would be projected to win more than 48 games coming into the season. That would be good for lower end of the playoff teams in the West.
If no one was injured then the Warriors might not have made the 2nd round.
Wiggins was an all-star out of the players who actually played this year. And those are the only ones who mattered.
You were all bragging about preseason projections, and I'm pointing out that those teams were nowhere near their preseason projections.
You lied and said the Warriors weren't projected to make the playoffs when they were projected about 48-49 wins, just 4 fewer than what they got. And all the teams above them either got injured or badly underperformed.
Steph didn't play any better this year than anyone expected him to. But Wiggins/Poole stepped up and a bunch of other teams fell out due to circumstances.
ThEn WhY dInD't ThEy LoOk StAcKeD lAsT yEaR?
Steph was far better last year, and the Warriors didn't even make the playoffs. If it's all Steph doing this and not his teammates, then why the fukk didn't he do it last season?
The difference between last year and this year ain't jack shyt to do with Steph improving. It was Klay coming back and Wiggins and Poole improving. Wiggins is still just 26 and was a #1 pick and consistent 20ppg guy in a shyt organization, he's shown improvement over the last 3 seasons. Poole is just 22 and showing the entire league who he is. There's this weird desperation from Curry stans to pretend that no one else has talent except for Curry even when his talent is quite one-dimensional and he relies on other players to take nearly every other role on the court.
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Clearly the poster who made the claim did so under the impression that Curry would still be the teams engine, best player, leading scorer, etc…
If Curry does that leads his team to 5 more championships which brings his total to 9 rings then yes he would become the greatest ever. The Warriors would also become the greatest dynasty.
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He used to be the most widely accepted G.O.A.T. before Jordan came along.
Steph would have won 9 in a more advanced league with more teams while breaking the game with his shooting.
1. "if" statements. using hypotheticals to justify your pointIf no one was injured then the Warriors might not have made the 2nd round.
Wiggins was an all-star out of the players who actually played this year. And those are the only ones who mattered.
You were all bragging about preseason projections, and I'm pointing out that those teams were nowhere near their preseason projections.
You lied and said the Warriors weren't projected to make the playoffs when they were projected about 48-49 wins, just 4 fewer than what they got. And all the teams above them either got injured or badly underperformed.
Steph didn't play any better this year than anyone expected him to. But Wiggins/Poole stepped up and a bunch of other teams fell out due to circumstances.
ThEn WhY dInD't ThEy LoOk StAcKeD lAsT yEaR?
Steph was far better last year, and the Warriors didn't even make the playoffs. If it's all Steph doing this and not his teammates, then why the fukk didn't he do it last season?
The difference between last year and this year ain't jack shyt to do with Steph improving. It was Klay coming back and Wiggins and Poole improving. Wiggins is still just 26 and was a #1 pick and consistent 20ppg guy in a shyt organization, he's shown improvement over the last 3 seasons. Poole is just 22 and showing the entire league who he is. There's this weird desperation from Curry stans to pretend that no one else has talent except for Curry even when his talent is quite one-dimensional and he relies on other players to take nearly every other role on the court.
Jamal murray coming off an ACL injury after missing the entire season and MPJ coming off a bad back injury wouldnt make them better than the warriors.
2. OK "out of the ones who mattered". Lets look into the starting Small Forwards who were in the west this season: Mikal Bridges, Dillon Brooks (who ended up missing 4-6 weeks from an ankle injury anyway), Wiggins, Royce Oneaele, Jaden McDaniels/Jared Vanderbilt, and Anthony Edwards. Ant-man is the only one closest to being an all-star. So ofc Wiggins got it.
3. Steph elevated the play of everyone last year. The difference was Wiseman was playing (and he's fukking awful - Steph actually made him look better than he was, which is an awful sign for warriors fans), mulder is pretty much out the league (currently hangning onto a 2way contract with Miami), Bazemore looked better last year playing next to steph, which is why Lakers fans thought they were getting someone (he showed that he wasnt even good enough to break the rotation for a trash ass lakers team about 15 games in the season), Brad Wannamaker is out the league, Nico Mannion is out the league, Eric Paschall JUST signed a deal last week to go to Minnesota on a 1 year deal (so he will be gone soon), and Kelly Oubre had an astonishingly low BBIQ, which is why he was a bench player for Charlotte this past season as a free agent wing (and also why PHX looed MUCH better without him the second he left the team). Nearly everyone on the 2021 is either fringe NBA talent or G-League talent, which means they still arent NBA ready. All the 2022 Warriors had were decent players, but playing with Steph made them look much better. There's a reason GSW was the only team to keep GP2. There was a reason GSW was the only team to take Otto Porter Jr and Bjelica. Those guys were decent players but no1 wanted them. They took vet minimum deals.
4. No one is saying guys around steph arent talented, we are saying that the roster wasnt STACKED. the 2015 Warriors were more stacked. The 2016/17 Warriors were stacked. There's a reason why people were saying this was the least talented roster Steph curry had that won a chip. Theres a reason why Steve Kerr and Bob myers (the fukking GM of the team) didn't think this roster was a championship roster after the regular season ended. They were good, but not STACKED.
Steph Curry makes every player around him better. KD has NEVER done that. Steph even made KD better. That's why KD finally made it over the mountaintop playing with steph, and it's why he cant get there without him.
And that is why Steph has proven himself to be better and more valuable than KD. Steph literally prolongs the careers of players whowould otherwise be out the league There's a reason no1 is looking to empty their roster for KD. Those trade talks died real quick. What was suppsed to be a "KD Sweepstakes" turned out to be a fukking BUST.
I guarantee you if Steph asked for a traded, teams wouldbe ALL OVER THAT. Why? Because Steph established himself as the better player with this chip
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KAJ was never considered goat
Before Jordan came along it was Russell who was most widely considered goat
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I grew up before MJ was considered GOAT and I don't remember this Russell hype at all.
On the streets in the late 80s / early 90s young people called Magic the GOAT over Bird except for the occasional outlier who reached back for Wilt, Oscar, or Kareem. I'm sure there were people saying Russell too but they would have been old heads.
lol - did some research and managed to find this old-ass internet argument from 1986. It's just two guys but one says Kareem, the other says Wilt. Russell gets a mention too. Of course this is before Magic won his 3 MVPs or his 4th and 5th titles.
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Here's a reddit thread with a guy born in 1970 who says there was no consensus at all. He says Sports Illustrated in the 1980s used to argue between Magic and Larry, and that Wilt, Russell, and Kareem all got mentioned as the all-time best big but he would have had Kareem by a nose.
Another one of a guy watching '91 footage of Magic announcing AIDS and all the news coverage saying he was the greatest basketball player of all time:
Another saying it was debated between Magic and Bird, with Kareem, Wilt, or Russell all getting lesser consideration:
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Then he’s the goat if he was the best player on those extra 5 chips well into his 40’sPeople do these dream hypotheticals for everyone besides LeBron
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What if LeBron wins the next 5 championships?