COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)

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People 'shed' coronavirus early, but most likely not infectious after recovery

People who contract the novel coronavirus emit high amounts of virus very early on in their infection, according to a new study from Germany that helps to explain the rapid and efficient way in which the virus has spread around the world.

At the same time, the study suggests that while people with mild infections can still test positive by throat swabs for days and even weeks after their illness, those who are only mildly sick are likely not still infectious by about 10 days after they start to experience symptoms.

The study, by scientists in Berlin and Munich, is one of the first outside China to look at clinical data from patients who have been diagnosed with Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, and one of the first to try to map when people infected with the virus can infect others.

It was published Monday on a preprint server, meaning it has not yet been peer-reviewed, but it could still provide key information that the public health response has been lacking.

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“This is a very important contribution to understanding both the natural history of Covid-19 clinical disease as well as the public health implications of viral shedding,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Diseases Research and Policy.

The researchers monitored the viral shedding of nine people infected with the virus. In addition to tests looking for fragments of the virus’s RNA, they also tried to grow viruses from sputum, blood, urine, and stool samples taken from the patients. The latter type of testing — trying to grow viruses — is critical in the quest to determine how people infect one another and how long an infected person poses a risk to others.

Importantly, the scientists could not grow viruses from throat swabs or sputum specimens after day 8 of illness from people who had mild infections.

“Based on the present findings, early discharge with ensuing home isolation could be chosen for patients who are beyond day 10 of symptoms with less than 100,000 viral RNA copies per ml of sputum,” the authors said, suggesting that at that point “there is little residual risk of infectivity, based on cell culture.”

Public health officials and hospitals have been trying to make sense of patients who seem to have recovered from Covid-19 but who still test positive for the virus based in throat swabs and sputum samples. In some cases, people test positive for weeks after recovery, the World Health Organization has noted.

Those tests are conducted using PCR — polymerase chain reaction — which looks for tiny sections of the RNA of the virus. That type of test can indicate whether a patient is still shedding viral debris, but cannot indicate whether the person is still infectious.

The researchers found very high levels of virus emitted from the throat of patients from the earliest point in their illness —when people are generally still going about their daily routines. Viral shedding dropped after day 5 in all but two of the patients, who had more serious illness. The two, who developed early signs of pneumonia, continued to shed high levels of virus from the throat until about day 10 or 11.

This pattern of virus shedding is a marked departure from what was seen with the SARS coronavirus, which ignited an outbreak in 2002-2003. With that disease, peak shedding of virus occurred later, when the virus had moved into the deep lungs.

Shedding from the upper airways early in infection makes for a virus that is much harder to contain. The scientists said at peak shedding, people with Covid-19 are emitting more than 1,000 times more virus than was emitted during peak shedding of SARS infection, a fact that likely explains the rapid spread of the virus. The SARS outbreak was contained after about 8,000 cases; the global count of confirmed Covid-19 cases has already topped 110,000.
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I'm happy Trump keeping his foot on they neck with the China Virus shyt :hubie:
Yeah, that's the least he could do, I wish he would actually try to organize a govt response, and be a leader, but if people are actively still looking for ways to say good things about a useless fukkface piece of shyt, it's cool that he is saying racist shyt.
 

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The problem is what happens when a "flu" sweeps through that killed 1%.

Read the paper and look at the projections depending on various scenarios and responses.








Reading this paper, on the "best data" they have, assuming the virus is not seasonal and we do nothing....2.2 million deaths in the USA.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf


Obviously though we're already not doing "nothing". The paper shows tables that suggest a whole range of scenarios and reactions and variables. Assuming the lower end of infection rates, the paper says that if we isolate all positive cases, keep their household members under home quarantine, close schools and for the most part close universities, and practice social distancing fairly well, and all those measures are in place for 50-60% of the next two years, it could keep fatalities down to about 30,000 or so. The degree to which we fail to do each of those things increases the total fatalities, though since we've clearly shown that "do nothing" isn't an option, at least according to the paper pretty much all scenarios max out at 500,000 or so fatalities at most.

Again, that assumes the virus isn't affected by climate. I don't how the numbers will change if the virus disappears for the summer and then roars back in the winter.


edit: And of course new treatments and/or vaccines that reduce the fatality rate will also make a big impact.

well be lucky if its only 10x the number of deaths of 9/11
Y’all really think the US will have more deaths than China? That’s assuming they are giving accurate numbers
 
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