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I love how everything about Obama helping black people indirectly goes to the "Drug war" in some way all the time. Yes as I said before I think the war on drugs definitely needs to end, I am just saying it is kind of sad how that generally is one of the only things these guys will talk about Obama "helping a nicca out".

But its sad because 9 times out of 10(I would be embarrassed) these same people never even mention or appreciate things done for education(even if it benefits them and they can afford it)

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Question is how do the stats justify a person actual doing violent acts against someone who they don't know is gay. You know when a person is Black. I don't see cops pulling Gays over beating them, shooting them, harassing them or arresting them.

How do you know if 50% of the Gays are Gay if they don't say it or wear it?

Obviously it's not the same. The matter remains, though- the rate of hate crimes against gays last year was almost double the hate crime rate against Black people. That doesn't mean gays have it worse, because there's also police, prisons, and abuses of other kinds, that are not factored into hate crime statistics. The point is that the "gay struggle" is legitimate, as they actually do face real issues.

And you're wrong about police harrassment. Gays are not harrassed the way Black people are, but they are treated unequally compared to straight people by police and in prisons.
 

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Nah that's to say some statements aren't worth a serious response. :heh:

EDIT: And the mopeds in GTA were called Faggios. :steviej:
 
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Obviously it's not the same. The matter remains, though- the rate of hate crimes against gays last year was almost double the hate crime rate against Black people. That doesn't mean gays have it worse, because there's also police, prisons, and abuses of other kinds, that are not factored into hate crime statistics. The point is that the "gay struggle" is legitimate, as they actually do face real issues.

And you're wrong about police harrassment. Gays are not harrassed the way Black people are, but they are treated unequally compared to straight people by police and in prisons.

You didn't answer the question...how do people attack gays if they don't have something to acknowledge that they are? I know there have been cases of violence against Transgender which is wrong I don't condone that but what I see that isn't determined in this is violence by Gays against Gays as well.

Explain your 2nd paragraph.
 
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I love how everything about Obama helping black people indirectly goes to the "Drug war" in some way all the time. Yes as I said before I think the war on drugs definitely needs to end, I am just saying it is kind of sad how that generally is one of the only things these guys will talk about Obama "helping a nicca out".

But its sad because 9 times out of 10(I would be embarrassed) these same people never even mention or appreciation things done for education(even if it benefits them and they can afford it)

:heh:

Plenty of other examples of Obama aiding blacks, aside from his passage of that crack sentencing law. Lily Ledbetter helped black women. Aca helped black families and black unemployed. Obama is a president of the United States of America, and last I checked he is entrusted with duties pertaining to all Americans.

Cacs like you can't grasp that, which is why you peddle this bullshyt about Obama not helping blacks, as if that's his job.
 

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You didn't answer the question...how do people attack gays if they don't have something to acknowledge that they are? I know there have been cases of violence against Transgender which is wrong I don't condone that but what I see that isn't determined in this is violence by Gays against Gays as well.

Explain your 2nd paragraph.

You shouldn't need me to answer that question. Sometimes people can't hide the fact that they're gay... it's as simple as that. As for violence against gays by other gays, that info is part of the newest hate crimes report, if I remember, so you can look it up, but remember- these are hate crimes. That means the attackers hate the group the victim belongs to, so violence perpetrated by gays against other gays doesn't fall into that category.

As for police and prisons- gays are treated horribly in prison, worse than the average inmate (and keep in mind most of the inmates in prison are racial minorities, so these gays are usually Black or Latino.)

Here are two sources of research on the unequal treatment of lgbt people in the criminal justice system:

https://litigation-essentials.lexis...cid=3B15&key=c682bc41a910f286608bad279c4ec569

Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Youths Punished More Severely For Same Offense

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Queer-Justice-Criminalization-People-United/dp/0807051152]Queer (In)Justice: The Criminalization of LGBT People in the United States (Queer Action/Queer Ideas Book): Joey Mogul, Andrea Ritchie, Kay Whitlock: 9780807051153: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

In short, compared to straight people, lgbt people are more likely to experience police abuse, more likely to get longer sentences for the same crimes, and more likely to experience violence in the street and while incarcerated. Those are all real problems. They are also problems that Black people experience, obviously. That's why it makes sense to form political coalitions around issues like these.
 

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Plenty of other examples of Obama aiding blacks, aside from his passage of that crack sentencing law. Lily Ledbetter helped black women. Aca helped black families and black unemployed. Obama is a president of the United States of America, and last I checked he is entrusted with duties pertaining to all Americans.

Cacs like you can't grasp that, which is why you peddle this bullshyt about Obama not helping blacks, as if that's his job.

Do you know reading comprehension? Check the post you just quoted and the previous quotes i made in this thread again. I wasn't criticizing Obama, I was saying those are the reasons his critics usually give.

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You shouldn't need me to answer that question. Sometimes people can't hide the fact that they're gay... it's as simple as that. As for violence against gays by other gays, that info is part of the newest hate crimes report, if I remember, so you can look it up, but remember- these are hate crimes. That means the attackers hate the group the victim belongs to, so violence perpetrated by gays against other gays doesn't fall into that category.

Hide? :childplease: You act like it's taboo in America. The very fact is those who don't portray the stereotype of Gays aren't attack. I think that right there can be addressed. A Business man in a suit who isn't acting the part but is gay isn't beat up but those who act the part in places that aren't fond of that I can most def see.



As for police and prisons- gays are treated horribly in prison, worse than the average inmate (and keep in mind most of the inmates in prison are racial minorities, so these gays are usually Black or Latino.)

Black and Brown brothers always get treated like trash in prison. To base solely it b/c they are gay is truly misleading.


Here are two sources of research on the unequal treatment of lgbt people in the criminal justice system:

https://litigation-essentials.lexis...cid=3B15&key=c682bc41a910f286608bad279c4ec569

Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Youths Punished More Severely For Same Offense

There is a huge gap in these stats on this ^^^ link. I think it tries hard to paint the narrative and then fails to come with a true conclusion.




Queer (In)Justice: The Criminalization of LGBT People in the United States (Queer Action/Queer Ideas Book): Joey Mogul, Andrea Ritchie, Kay Whitlock: 9780807051153: Amazon.com: Books

In short, compared to straight people, lgbt people are more likely to experience police abuse, more likely to get longer sentences for the same crimes, and more likely to experience violence in the street and while incarcerated. Those are all real problems. They are also problems that Black people experience, obviously. That's why it makes sense to form political coalitions around issues like these.

Again I find that very hard to believe that b/c of the fact is that the P.I.C.( Prison Industrial Complex) picks out Poor Black and Latino based off Race and Ethnicity before anything to do with Sex or Sexual Preference. Police Abuse against Blacks is huge...but no stats even bring up sexual preference b/c it's not about that it's about their race and nothing else.
 
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Land Destroyer: The Greatest Way to Dishonor Martin Luther King Jr.



The Greatest Way to Dishonor Martin Luther King Jr.

January 21, 2013 (LD) - What's the greatest way to dishonor Martin Luther King Jr.? Compare him with US President Barack Obama - a servant of an engine for the greatest disparity, inequality, and injustice on Earth - driven by the very corporate-financier interests King stood up against, was opposed by throughout his entire life, and most likely was killed by. For Martin Luther King Jr. - whose famous speeches still echo through the halls of time, who spoke a message of peace and of the importance of character over the mere color of one's skin - he is ironically compared to Barack Obama simply because of the color of their skin, despite the fact that these two men possess the opposite in character, and represent infinitely opposing causes.
Image: A visual representation of the corporate-financier special interests represented by US President Barack Obama's cabinet, past and present.
....

Indeed, despite the left-leaning facade President Obama displays publicly, his entire cabinet, past and present, is a collection of corporate-financier special interests, warmongers, criminals, and elitists who merely couch a corporate-fascist, self-serving agenda behind well-meaning liberal-esque causes. A look at these characters more closely reveals just this:

Timothy Geithner (Secretary of the Treasury): Group of 30, Council on Foreign Relations, private Federal Reserve
Eric Holder (Attorney General): Covington & Burling lobbying for Merck and representing Chiquita International Brands in lawsuits brought by relatives of people killed by Colombian terrorists.
Eric Shinseki (Secretary of Veteran Affairs): US Army, Council on Foreign Relations, Honeywell director (military contractor), Ducommun director (military contractor).
Rahm Emanuel (former Chief of Staff): Freddie Mac
William Daley (former Chief of Staff): JP Morgan executive committee member
Jacob "Jack" Lew (Chief of Staff) Council on Foreign Relations, Brookings Institution (Hamilton Project)
Susan Rice (UN Ambassador): McKinsey and Company, Brookings Institution, Council on Foreign Relations
Peter Orszag, (former Budget Director): Citi Group, Council on Foreign Relations
Paul Volcker: Council on Foreign Relations, private Federal Reserve, Group of 30
Ronald Kirk (US Trade Representative): lobbyist, part of Goldman Sachs, Kohlberg, Kravis, Roberts, and Texas Pacific Group partnership to buyout Energy Future Holdings.
Lawrence Summers (National Economic Council Director): World Bank, Council on Foreign Relations, Brookings Institution (Hamilton Project)


Image: Brookings Institution's corporate backers - clearly nothing to do with left-leaning liberal a
....

Of course, representation of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Brookings Institution (page 19, .pdf) should give any genuine left-leaning liberal pause for thought. These are think-tanks created by and for big business. The Brookings Institution in particular is home of the very architects of "George Bush's" myriad of wars - wars the faux-left in America claim Obama only grudgingly has been stuck with.

In reality, his policy is driven by not only the exact same corporate-financier interests that drove Bush's, but in fact, many of the exact same individuals are writing the policy versus nations like Libya, Syria, and Iran today who were behind "Bush's" Iraq and Afghanistan wars - the consequences of which still are reverberating. This is what is called, "continuity of agenda," with the feigned political proclivities of both Bush and Obama being nothing more than carefully orchestrated theater to divide and distract the public as a singular agenda transcends presidencies and perceived political lines.

And in reality, Martin Luther King Jr., should he still walk this world today, would undoubtedly be taking the podium and speaking out against this outrageous conspiracy against free humanity, and the affront to equality poseurs like President Barack Obama are attempting to foist upon the public and the world at large. He would undoubtedly condemn the global war Obama is waging from Mali to Libya, from Syria to Afghanistan and the borders of Pakistan, from Yemen to Somalia, to Uganda and beyond.

In a speech given on April 4, 1967 in New York City titled, "Beyond Vietnam - A Time to Break Silence," King gives what is perhaps the widest encapsulation of his philosophy and worldview, one that would undoubtedly criticize and clash with the disingenuous US presidents of today, celebrating Martin Luther King Jr. Day. And the beauty of the equality King helped usher in is, the fact that Obama is black should not shield him from the criticism of the very man that helped pave the way for his accession to office.


One section of King's enlightening speech criticizing the Vietnam War states:


"It is with such activity in mind that the words of the late John F. Kennedy come back to haunt us. Five years ago he said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." Increasingly, by choice or by accident, this is the role our nation has taken, the role of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investments. I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin...we must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.

A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand, we are called to play the Good Samaritan on life's roadside, but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho Road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say, "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of South America and say, "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just.

A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, "This way of settling differences is not just." This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.

America, the richest and most powerful nation in the world, can well lead the way in this revolution of values. There is nothing except a tragic death wish to prevent us from reordering our priorities so that the pursuit of peace will take precedence over the pursuit of war. There is nothing to keep us from molding a recalcitrant status quo with bruised hands until we have fashioned it into a brotherhood.

This kind of positive revolution of values is our best defense against communism. War is not the answer. Communism will never be defeated by the use of atomic bombs or nuclear weapons. Let us not join those who shout war and, through their misguided passions, urge the United States to relinquish its participation in the United Nations. These are days which demand wise restraint and calm reasonableness. We must not engage in a negative anticommunism, but rather in a positive thrust for democracy, realizing that our greatest defense against communism is to take offensive action in behalf of justice. We must with positive action seek to remove those conditions of poverty, insecurity, and injustice, which are the fertile soil in which the seed of communism grows and develops."

It is safe to say that America has not mended its ways and only traveled further down the dark path King warned us of back in 1967. The man "leading" us, or at least the front-man for the corporate-financier interests that drive America's destiny, may honor King with carefully contrived words and well orchestrated public stunts, but in deeds and actions Obama and the corporate-financier elite that hold his leash, defame and dishonor King in every way imaginable.

If you want to honor King and his life's work, honor it by implementing the words he uttered while alive, not by playing along with a system that resisted him until his death, and has since dishonored and exploited his memory with disingenuous praise while maliciously carrying out an agenda contra to everything King ever stood for.

You can read and listen to the whole April 4, 1967 speech, "Beyond Vietnam - A Time to Break Silence" on AmericanRhetoric.com.
 

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Hide? You act like it's taboo in America. The very fact is those who don't portray the stereotype of Gays aren't attack. I think that right there can be addressed. A Business man in a suit who isn't acting the part but is gay isn't beat up but those who act the part in places that aren't fond of that I can most def see.

Taboo or not, the numbers don't lie. You seem to be doing everything possible to avoid the fact that statistics show a very high rate of hate crimes against gays, and all the other statistics I noted. That means that gays aren't as accepted as you want to portray, to the point where anti-gay people are persecuted for their beliefs. If you have competing stats, then post them. If not, the facts are well-documented, and they're pretty simple to understand.
 
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Taboo or not, the numbers don't lie. You seem to be doing everything possible to avoid the fact that statistics show a very high rate of hate crimes against gays, and all the other statistics I noted. That means that gays aren't as accepted as you want to portray, to the point where anti-gay people are persecuted for their beliefs. If you have competing stats, then post them. If not, the facts are well-documented, and they're pretty simple to understand.

Numbers do lie when there are huge gaps between info given. I'm not doubting gays face things such as violence against them which is probably a big number...i don't condone that but to say they have more done to them is false and misleading.

Try to stay on topic about West, O and MLK like you did before. The gay topic seems to overstay it's welcome and I think you like talking about it.
 

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Numbers do lie when there are huge gaps between info given. I'm not doubting gays face things such as violence against them which is probably a big number...i don't condone that but to say they have more done to them is false and misleading.

I never said that. Now let's get back on topic.
 

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Land Destroyer: The Greatest Way to Dishonor Martin Luther King Jr.



The Greatest Way to Dishonor Martin Luther King Jr.

January 21, 2013 (LD) - What's the greatest way to dishonor Martin Luther King Jr.? Compare him with US President Barack Obama - a servant of an engine for the greatest disparity, inequality, and injustice on Earth - driven by the very corporate-financier interests King stood up against, was opposed by throughout his entire life, and most likely was killed by. For Martin Luther King Jr. - whose famous speeches still echo through the halls of time, who spoke a message of peace and of the importance of character over the mere color of one's skin - he is ironically compared to Barack Obama simply because of the color of their skin, despite the fact that these two men possess the opposite in character, and represent infinitely opposing causes.
Image: A visual representation of the corporate-financier special interests represented by US President Barack Obama's cabinet, past and present.
....

Indeed, despite the left-leaning facade President Obama displays publicly, his entire cabinet, past and present, is a collection of corporate-financier special interests, warmongers, criminals, and elitists who merely couch a corporate-fascist, self-serving agenda behind well-meaning liberal-esque causes. A look at these characters more closely reveals just this:

Timothy Geithner (Secretary of the Treasury): Group of 30, Council on Foreign Relations, private Federal Reserve
Eric Holder (Attorney General): Covington & Burling lobbying for Merck and representing Chiquita International Brands in lawsuits brought by relatives of people killed by Colombian terrorists.
Eric Shinseki (Secretary of Veteran Affairs): US Army, Council on Foreign Relations, Honeywell director (military contractor), Ducommun director (military contractor).
Rahm Emanuel (former Chief of Staff): Freddie Mac
William Daley (former Chief of Staff): JP Morgan executive committee member
Jacob "Jack" Lew (Chief of Staff) Council on Foreign Relations, Brookings Institution (Hamilton Project)
Susan Rice (UN Ambassador): McKinsey and Company, Brookings Institution, Council on Foreign Relations
Peter Orszag, (former Budget Director): Citi Group, Council on Foreign Relations
Paul Volcker: Council on Foreign Relations, private Federal Reserve, Group of 30
Ronald Kirk (US Trade Representative): lobbyist, part of Goldman Sachs, Kohlberg, Kravis, Roberts, and Texas Pacific Group partnership to buyout Energy Future Holdings.
Lawrence Summers (National Economic Council Director): World Bank, Council on Foreign Relations, Brookings Institution (Hamilton Project)


Image: Brookings Institution's corporate backers - clearly nothing to do with left-leaning liberal a
....

Of course, representation of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Brookings Institution (page 19, .pdf) should give any genuine left-leaning liberal pause for thought. These are think-tanks created by and for big business. The Brookings Institution in particular is home of the very architects of "George Bush's" myriad of wars - wars the faux-left in America claim Obama only grudgingly has been stuck with.

In reality, his policy is driven by not only the exact same corporate-financier interests that drove Bush's, but in fact, many of the exact same individuals are writing the policy versus nations like Libya, Syria, and Iran today who were behind "Bush's" Iraq and Afghanistan wars - the consequences of which still are reverberating. This is what is called, "continuity of agenda," with the feigned political proclivities of both Bush and Obama being nothing more than carefully orchestrated theater to divide and distract the public as a singular agenda transcends presidencies and perceived political lines.

And in reality, Martin Luther King Jr., should he still walk this world today, would undoubtedly be taking the podium and speaking out against this outrageous conspiracy against free humanity, and the affront to equality poseurs like President Barack Obama are attempting to foist upon the public and the world at large. He would undoubtedly condemn the global war Obama is waging from Mali to Libya, from Syria to Afghanistan and the borders of Pakistan, from Yemen to Somalia, to Uganda and beyond.

In a speech given on April 4, 1967 in New York City titled, "Beyond Vietnam - A Time to Break Silence," King gives what is perhaps the widest encapsulation of his philosophy and worldview, one that would undoubtedly criticize and clash with the disingenuous US presidents of today, celebrating Martin Luther King Jr. Day. And the beauty of the equality King helped usher in is, the fact that Obama is black should not shield him from the criticism of the very man that helped pave the way for his accession to office.


One section of King's enlightening speech criticizing the Vietnam War states:


"It is with such activity in mind that the words of the late John F. Kennedy come back to haunt us. Five years ago he said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." Increasingly, by choice or by accident, this is the role our nation has taken, the role of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investments. I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin...we must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.

A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand, we are called to play the Good Samaritan on life's roadside, but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho Road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say, "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of South America and say, "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just.

A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, "This way of settling differences is not just." This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.

America, the richest and most powerful nation in the world, can well lead the way in this revolution of values. There is nothing except a tragic death wish to prevent us from reordering our priorities so that the pursuit of peace will take precedence over the pursuit of war. There is nothing to keep us from molding a recalcitrant status quo with bruised hands until we have fashioned it into a brotherhood.

This kind of positive revolution of values is our best defense against communism. War is not the answer. Communism will never be defeated by the use of atomic bombs or nuclear weapons. Let us not join those who shout war and, through their misguided passions, urge the United States to relinquish its participation in the United Nations. These are days which demand wise restraint and calm reasonableness. We must not engage in a negative anticommunism, but rather in a positive thrust for democracy, realizing that our greatest defense against communism is to take offensive action in behalf of justice. We must with positive action seek to remove those conditions of poverty, insecurity, and injustice, which are the fertile soil in which the seed of communism grows and develops."

It is safe to say that America has not mended its ways and only traveled further down the dark path King warned us of back in 1967. The man "leading" us, or at least the front-man for the corporate-financier interests that drive America's destiny, may honor King with carefully contrived words and well orchestrated public stunts, but in deeds and actions Obama and the corporate-financier elite that hold his leash, defame and dishonor King in every way imaginable.

If you want to honor King and his life's work, honor it by implementing the words he uttered while alive, not by playing along with a system that resisted him until his death, and has since dishonored and exploited his memory with disingenuous praise while maliciously carrying out an agenda contra to everything King ever stood for.

You can read and listen to the whole April 4, 1967 speech, "Beyond Vietnam - A Time to Break Silence" on AmericanRhetoric.com.

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I've come to the realization that those of you who blame Obama for not being a Magical Negro are quite content with the state of the black community. I see the way you same cats attack TWISM for his obstinance over education and the reconstruction of black culture. You just want to blame external forces because it's so much easier than being introspective.

- You place absolutely no culpability for our condition on the parents. When Obama makes note of this, you criticize him for being paternalistic. "Save the speech nikka, just give ius the money."

- You reject ideas such as charter schools because they "leave kids behind". You want more money poured into public schools that house degenerates who have no structure at home and disrupt education any chance they get.

- You expect Obama the Magical Negro to conjure up jobs specifically for black people without thought to job description nor qualification. You want more job training programs, but training for what exactly that can provide meaningful and longterm employment?

- Most importantly, you casually ignore that this country is not a dictatorship. Obama has an opposition Congress and Supreme court to maneuver against. Even those white liberals in the senate you're all endeared to wouldn't look kindly to a blatantly pro-black-only initiative.

So please, let's just cut the charade. Admit that y'all really don't give a shyt about black improvement, or that its a lost cause for which we should not receive any blame.
 
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