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Good post.
As I said before, 9 times out of 10 like you mentioned, if you push these guys to give you an answer it will always be the economy or drug war. Always one of the two. They seem to forget the whole country is dealing with unemployment issues and ignore the fact that it has been gradually going down each month.
Another thing they do not even pay attention to is that despite doing alot for them already, Obama has tried to do other things that could benefit them, but was filibustered by Congress. Plans that were supported by him like the "Veteran Job Corps Act" . *Waits for the comment about how this only benefits old white and black men and not us young brothers*
"The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act" helped with women to be able to sue for pay descrimination but can also apply to anyone dealing with pay descrimination, but in all actuality it can refer to ANYONE dealing with pay descrimination. It was just marketed as for mainly women because they are more likely to deal with that and because of the woman it was named after.
He has tried to go further with the "Paycheck Fairness Act", which would actually say that both genders should be paid the same, since Ledbetter only dealed with suing for pay descrimination. You guys can downplay things like these but they are of importance to your mothers, aunts,sisters,etc.
Despite how some of you guys seem to believe immigration reform only affects Latinos, I know people personally who are black who benefited from "Deferred Action" when he put out that executive order last June. When Dream Act is signed soon, it is not going to only affect Latinos. They are about 11 million undocumented immigrants, Dream Act has not been signed yet, but deferred action is obviously also affecting blacks along with Latinos and South Asians.
I really hope these guys don't think its only Latinos.
This is a point that I thought about that I myself just thought about, and nobody can disprove.....
66 Percent of Asians voted for Obama(I think thats the #) in 2008 and 77 Percent of Asians voted for Obama in 2012. When was the last time you heard Asian Americans AS A WHOLE GROUP whine and moan about Obama should do more for them?
This is why we continue to be backwards as a people. As annoying Bill Cosby can be at times, that video of him I put in another thread is 100% on point. It really is embarrassing to watch. Can you imagine how much we are taking this for granted? Can you imagine how it would look if China's President Hu Jintao was giving out federal aid for education, and the young people were bytching about him not "doing enough for them"?
Like @PoPo said alot of you guys really believe Obama is some magical negro. I mean when we got dudes out there like Tavis Smiley who seriously think poverty can be eradicated in 10 years, something is seriously wrong.
You saw dudes in here talking about Obamacare doesn't count....simply because it is not implemented yet. Are you serious? No one is saying it is perfect, but after it is implemented in January 2014 and he makes some tweaks to try and stop the rise in premiums, you seriously mean to tell me it wont benefit all of us? Especially since it looks like more and more that he will allow Medicare to be expanded for everyone?
If 'Obamacare' ends, millions of blacks could remain without health insurance | theGrio
I have read the whole health care bill on a PDF file. I do not think these guys realize just how much this would benefit millions of black families especially in terms of the whole "pre-existing conditions" issue.
Like I said before, Clinton's domestic agenda as a whole is absolutely pathetic, but because of welfare reform and the economy, black folks will forever big him up and say he did more for them than Obama.....
@PoPo I don't know if you ever heard about that "Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act" Obama helped write up when he was a senator, but I GUARANTEE you if he brought that up again and made some more tweaks related to child support, dudes out there would still complain.
Dudes out there view the issue as "He hasn't done anything for any of us black people, he could help end this drug war or help us brothers get out".........while my attitude would actually be "He has done alot so far......but he could do more and try to put an end to this drug war or at least slow it down drastically by legalizing marijuana".
The biggest thing I am surprised no one is talking about is how the hell do you guys think you got unemployment benefits extensions? Imagine you own a business and one of your employees is going through problems at the moment and has to leave for a while until everything is sorted out....you give them 1 year of unemployment benefits until they get on their feet..........and they go behind your back to talk shyt about you and how you havent' "Done anything" for them?
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Good post.
As I said before, 9 times out of 10 like you mentioned, if you push these guys to give you an answer it will always be the economy or drug war. Always one of the two. They seem to forget the whole country is dealing with unemployment issues and ignore the fact that it has been gradually going down each month.
Another thing they do not even pay attention to is that despite doing alot for them already, Obama has tried to do other things that could benefit them, but was filibustered by Congress. Plans that were supported by him like the "Veteran Job Corps Act" . *Waits for the comment about how this only benefits old white and black men and not us young brothers*
"The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act" helped with women to be able to sue for pay descrimination but can also apply to anyone dealing with pay descrimination, but in all actuality it can refer to ANYONE dealing with pay descrimination. It was just marketed as for mainly women because they are more likely to deal with that and because of the woman it was named after.
He has tried to go further with the "Paycheck Fairness Act", which would actually say that both genders should be paid the same, since Ledbetter only dealed with suing for pay descrimination. You guys can downplay things like these but they are of importance to your mothers, aunts,sisters,etc.
Despite how some of you guys seem to believe immigration reform only affects Latinos, I know people personally who are black who benefited from "Deferred Action" when he put out that executive order last June. When Dream Act is signed soon, it is not going to only affect Latinos. They are about 11 million undocumented immigrants, Dream Act has not been signed yet, but deferred action is obviously also affecting blacks along with Latinos and South Asians.
I really hope these guys don't think its only Latinos.
This is a point that I thought about that I myself just thought about, and nobody can disprove.....
66 Percent of Asians voted for Obama(I think thats the #) in 2008 and 77 Percent of Asians voted for Obama in 2012. When was the last time you heard Asian Americans AS A WHOLE GROUP whine and moan about Obama should do more for them?
This is why we continue to be backwards as a people. As annoying Bill Cosby can be at times, that video of him I put in another thread is 100% on point. It really is embarrassing to watch. Can you imagine how much we are taking this for granted? Can you imagine how it would look if China's President Hu Jintao was giving out federal aid for education, and the young people were bytching about him not "doing enough for them"?
Like @PoPo said alot of you guys really believe Obama is some magical negro. I mean when we got dudes out there like Tavis Smiley who seriously think poverty can be eradicated in 10 years, something is seriously wrong.
You saw dudes in here talking about Obamacare doesn't count....simply because it is not implemented yet. Are you serious? No one is saying it is perfect, but after it is implemented in January 2014 and he makes some tweaks to try and stop the rise in premiums, you seriously mean to tell me it wont benefit all of us? Especially since it looks like more and more that he will allow Medicare to be expanded for everyone?
If 'Obamacare' ends, millions of blacks could remain without health insurance | theGrio
I have read the whole health care bill on a PDF file. I do not think these guys realize just how much this would benefit millions of black families especially in terms of the whole "pre-existing conditions" issue.
Like I said before, Clinton's domestic agenda as a whole is absolutely pathetic, but because of welfare reform and the economy, black folks will forever big him up and say he did more for them than Obama.....
@PoPo I don't know if you ever heard about that "Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act" Obama helped write up when he was a senator, but I GUARANTEE you if he brought that up again and made some more tweaks related to child support, dudes out there would still complain.
Dudes out there view the issue as "He hasn't done anything for any of us black people, he could help end this drug war or help us brothers get out".........while my attitude would actually be "He has done alot so far......but he could do more and try to put an end to this drug war or at least slow it down drastically by legalizing marijuana".
The biggest thing I am surprised no one is talking about is how the hell do you guys think you got unemployment benefits extensions? Imagine you own a business and one of your employees is going through problems at the moment and has to leave for a while until everything is sorted out....you give them 1 year of unemployment benefits until they get on their feet..........and they go behind your back to talk shyt about you and how you havent' "Done anything" for them?
This was a well thought out and explained post breh. The sad thing though is the Obama haters will just come in and try to decry everything you said instead of actually stating things they would want Obama to do. I find that when I ask the question of "What can Obama do to help all black people" the response is usually something about what he has done for other groups (not ethnic groups) or how he doesn't mention us enough in speeches. They truly don't have a point and I think it comes down to several things. One being the "dare to be different" sentiment of hating Obama because a lot of blacks praise him greatly. Secondly, I think there is the idiotic idea that Obama is a civil rights activist and not the president of ALL of the United States. Obama doesn't single out any ethnic group to show favoritism to and nor should he. If you can't realize that Obama is doing things that will help African Americans then I don't know what to tell you. Look up the Workforce Investment Act and how Obama is strongly pushing to dump tons of money into helping low income people gain training and obtain job skills. I mean I could go on and on but I know it won't matter. Unless Obama writes the "Lets give Jobs to African Americans Act" or straight up just gives billions in slavery reparations, he won't get any credit for what he has done or trying to do.
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All bullsh*t.
1. Drone attacks are not to be dismissed in one sentence. Literally thousands of people have died because of that crap, and Obama is automatically a fail because of this.
2. Obama refuses to pressure the DOJ to prosecute Wall Street criminals and thereby punish the banks, allegedly "too big to fail". This is corruption on a massive scale, and makes Obama an automatic fail.
3. Obama has GREATLY INCREASED medical marijuana crackdowns and raids from rates under President f*cking Bush. Do you understand?
Obama is an unprincipled loser and it makes me sick to see ignorant black folk bashing West and Smiley for simply pointing out that Obama is basically a villain, not a great man like Martin Luther King Jr.
And by the way, MLK's family approving of Obama means jack sh*t. Hemingway's children can't write like Hemingway. Merely being related to somebody doesn't mean you take to heart their legacy. That family's credibility was shot the moment Harry Belafonte got disinvited from Coretta Scott King's funeral by MLK's family after George W. Bush announced he would attend. Absolutely crazy. The man was a close personal friend of MLK Jr. himself. So don't give me that sh*t. MLK Jr. would hold speeches in the street railing against our president you dummies.
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You sound like an angry weed head. There will never be a president who does everything YOU (Jermio) or me feels is right. However, I believe this president has good intentions and isn't some fukking evil Illuminati, skull and bones secret society type. You talk about drone attacks but did you mention how he is bringing ALL the damn troops home? You mention medical marijuana but did you mention how his administration signed the Fair Sentencing Act? You talk about wall street corruption but did you not hear about all the lawsuits his DOJ has against big banks and mortgage companies? Or the things he has done to reverse the damage of the crisis? So yes, he does some things which I disagree with but I'm not gonna hate the dude and ignore all the positive shyt he does.
"YOUR WRONG!!! Killer Mike and Immortal Technique told me that there IS a secret society and that all presidents are puppets who cannot think for yourself. Nicca you mad naive and need to get in the real world. That fair sentencing act aint help shyt for us brothers in prison.....I read on Yahoo Answers that Bin Laden died from Kidney failure in 2001 ....tired of these niccas acting mad naive about what really goes on behind the scenes. "
I've had weed only twice in my life, unfortunately. And tell me when exactly ALL of the damn troops will be home. I hear vague, tentative deadlines every two years seemingly, with a bunch of conditions. The Fair Sentencing Act is a fairly petty redress of something so blatantly absurd for so long; the fact that it isn't retroactively applicable and that a sentence disparity still exists is already a major problem.
And lawsuits against big banks? That's exactly what's wrong with the DOJ's approach to dealing with the problem. Many bankers and financial executives committed criminal acts, and should face criminal laws, not just civil suits that are effectively slaps on the wrist that result in laughter and taunts at our expense behind closed doors. Without the sight of multimillionaire bankers doing perp-walks, these fines mean nothing. HBSC is being fined far less money than they gained through their illegal money laundering for the cartels (I've heard estimates of $9 billion in earnings through these illegal activities), and yet all you'll hear on the news is that $1.9 billion is the largest fine ever of a bank. That's the kind of sham "law and order" that Obama defends.
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You and no one else can guess how MLK would have reacted to Obama's Presidency but history is history that's my main point. In terms of that. Cornell West or none of you armchair conspiracy theorists have any right to guess what MLK would or would not have supported, just because you hear a few of his speeches.
1. So Obama invented drone attacks, now, what is the difference between that and sending human controlled jet fighters to drop bombs like every President down to Jimmy Carter did, yet Obama is supposed to take all that weight, ok. Further more his timeline for the ending of the Afghanistan war is less than a year, but you know what that situation can and will change based on the information he receives. You can't just pull out of a hot zone so haphazardly especially with the political fragility of these areas.
2. Do you know how much it costs to prosecute a 'wall street criminal' it costs more than the money you are going to get out of them. A trial will take years and cost hundreds of millions in legal fees, even if the Supreme Court wins these guys will do all of 6 months to a year in a white collar prison. Furthermore their assets are across international waters and are protected by sovereign jurisdiction which will require another trial to succeed. Does that suck yes, but that's reality. If you want to point a finger, blame the Clinton and Bush administrations for pushing for such heavy deregulation and letting these guys go unchecked. Obama instead created the Concumer Protection Act which created an ENTIRE DEPARTMENT dedicated to the oversight of banks and mortgage companies, as well as forcing these banks to use a large percentage of those profits to prop up underwater mortgages, home repairs from Sandy and reducing interest rates which more oversight that any President has enacted in the past 30 years.
3. Obama is cracking down on Medical Marijuana that is being sold illegally, that has nothing to do with us. It was likely a compromise he had to make to cut down on the egregious possession of cocaine/crack laws that have been plaguing us for the last 25 years.
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The bolded are hyperbole, and I can say that because I posted up the article in question. The problem isn't mitigated because blue dog democrats wouldn't pass the stronger version of the Dodd Act. That's about it, this is correct otherwise.
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2. Do you know how much it costs to prosecute a 'wall street criminal' it costs more than the money you are going to get out of them. A trial will take years and cost hundreds of millions in legal fees, even if the Supreme Court wins these guys will do all of 6 months to a year in a white collar prison. Furthermore their assets are across international waters and are protected by sovereign jurisdiction which will require another trial to succeed. Does that suck yes, but that's reality. If you want to point a finger, blame the Clinton and Bush administrations for pushing for such heavy deregulation and letting these guys go unchecked. Obama instead created the Concumer Protection Act which created an ENTIRE DEPARTMENT dedicated to the oversight of banks and mortgage companies, as well as forcing these banks to use a large percentage of those profits to prop up underwater mortgages, home repairs from Sandy and reducing interest rates which more oversight that any President has enacted in the past 30 years.
Stop tap dancing and lying. In the last month we had two well known and respected journalists provide PROOF that the Obama Adminstration has:
1- Relegated the FBI to do security work and protection of Banks by cracking down on Occupy Movement and essentially being a private police force.
2- Been directly complicit in the Bailout scam, even going as far as not following the law and spending the money.
3- Not helped mitigate the problem that caused the Recession. In fact, the opposite has happen. Wall Street is seeing record profits under Obama, while wages and unemployment are low. Also, those too big to fail banks are making more money than they did before the crash of 08, and are making this money by doing the EXACT SAME THING.
4- Directly ordered the DOJ not to prosecute fraud.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your delusion.
No, because then this thread would be us going back and forth and I told you I'm not doing that with you anymore. Further, there's nothing left to say that we haven't said. We both read those articles.
But I will address the nonsense you said about Obamacare not helping black people or people of color in general.
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I know people first hand that this benefited, cut that garbage. You propensity towards hyperbole is alarming. Deuces.