Cornel west deliverin that ether as usual..,

[Broke Wave]

Do you want me to quote it?

I think the saddest part of the Obama defenders delusion comes from outside the realm of economocs. This "Obama helped black people because he helped all people" transitive property logic is laughable bit lets ignore that for a sec and get to the heart of what I think is our shared concern with Obama and that is the civil liberties issue.

Obama supports the Patriot act and the secret FISA Courts which are essentially the repeal of the 4th amendment. The government can read your emails, listen to your texts, listen to your phone conversations and do covert survellince on you without a warrant.

Obama signed the NDAA which gives the government the ability to detain any American citizen without a trial and indefinately.

Where is the hyperbole in that? Did Obama not sign off on the killing of an American Citizen without a Trial? I don't even bother with the economic arguments against Obama because the Heritage Foundatiom healthcare bill rebranded is appaerently enough to appease the masses.

Address my concerns on the issues outlined Obama supporters.

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[Type Username Here]

What he said I said:

.

But I will address the nonsense you said about Obamacare not helping black people or people of color in general.

What I said:

Like I said, you and others are constantly in here saying that the GOP has been against black issues for decades, yet for some odd reason, their 1994 plan is now magically pro-black.

I wonder why that is?


The people who had issues buying health insurance already have a means to get government assistance. Now, the rest will be forced to buy private insurances. If you consider that a monumental moment in civil rights, I don't know what to say.

Nothing changed. They moved the posts for poverty lines, and it will help 1.3-2 million people. I have nothing against getting more poor people on government assistance for health care.

BUT

The rest of us will be forced to buy private insurances. Being able to add your children to your family insurance is not some progressive ideology. It adds more funds to private companies.

BarNone, will you at least be honest here and just say that this was a 90s Republican counterplan? Can you have one atom in your body worthy of honesty?

 

[CASHAPP]

I think the saddest part of the Obama defenders delusion comes from outside the realm of economocs. This "Obama helped black people because he helped all people" transitive property logic is laughable bit lets ignore that for a sec and get to the heart of what I think is our shared concern with Obama and that is the civil liberties issue.

Obama supports the Patriot act and the secret FISA Courts which are essentially the repeal of the 4th amendment. The government can read your emails, listen to your texts, listen to your phone conversations and do covert survellince on you without a warrant.

Obama signed the NDAA which gives the government the ability to detain any American citizen without a trial and indefinately.

Where is the hyperbole in that? Did Obama not sign off on the killing of an American Citizen without a Trial? I don't even bother with the economic arguments against Obama because the Heritage Foundatiom healthcare bill rebranded is appaerently enough to appease the masses.

Address my concerns on the issues outlined Obama supporters.

sent from Mooks pig pen

And did you notice that every second each "Obama defenders" as you say start off every sentence or say at some point in their responses "They do not agree with drones or his stance on that",etc? I see posts like that constantly and consistently but you guys keep dancing around that fact.

I including myself repeat that a thousand times in other threads but you guys continue to repeat this same nonsense over and over again.....when we already said we do not agree with those stances he has.

I guarantee 2 weeks from now one of you will do it once again

Lol at appease the masses with health care

 

[FLORIDA BOI]

real talk

 

[Type Username Here]

I think the saddest part of the Obama defenders delusion comes from outside the realm of economocs. This "Obama helped black people because he helped all people" transitive property logic is laughable bit lets ignore that for a sec and get to the heart of what I think is our shared concern with Obama and that is the civil liberties issue.

Obama supports the Patriot act and the secret FISA Courts which are essentially the repeal of the 4th amendment. The government can read your emails, listen to your texts, listen to your phone conversations and do covert survellince on you without a warrant.

Obama signed the NDAA which gives the government the ability to detain any American citizen without a trial and indefinately.

Where is the hyperbole in that? Did Obama not sign off on the killing of an American Citizen without a Trial? I don't even bother with the economic arguments against Obama because the Heritage Foundatiom healthcare bill rebranded is appaerently enough to appease the masses.

Address my concerns on the issues outlined Obama supporters.

sent from Mooks pig pen

I'm saying though.

Just on actions outside of Congressional gridlock and process, Obama has done enough through the powers of the executive office that anyone with any common sense can see is illegal, fraudulent and corrupt.

I would bet my entire fukking life that if McCain won, and he pushed through the SAME plan as Obamacare, the people on here wouldn't be claiming it did shyt for blacks, minorities and Americans in general.

 

[Broke Wave]

So how the fukk can you support Obama when he supports all that? Do you have any principles? Thats like me supporting Govenor George Wallace just because he was anti war. Unbeleivable.

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[No1]

I think the saddest part of the Obama defenders delusion comes from outside the realm of economocs. This "Obama helped black people because he helped all people" transitive property logic is laughable bit lets ignore that for a sec and get to the heart of what I think is our shared concern with Obama and that is the civil liberties issue.

Obama supports the Patriot act and the secret FISA Courts which are essentially the repeal of the 4th amendment. The government can read your emails, listen to your texts, listen to your phone conversations and do covert survellince on you without a warrant.

Obama signed the NDAA which gives the government the ability to detain any American citizen without a trial and indefinately.

Where is the hyperbole in that? Did Obama not sign off on the killing of an American Citizen without a Trial? I don't even bother with the economic arguments against Obama because the Heritage Foundatiom healthcare bill rebranded is appaerently enough to appease the masses.

Address my concerns on the issues outlined Obama supporters.

sent from Mooks pig pen

I hope this isn't at me because it doesn't respond to a single thing I said. You're usually more on point than that. But it sounds like it's at me because you used the word "hyperbole." You're really not helping your cause from when people joked that you and TUH are a tag team, instead of responding to what I said, if you are talking about me, you're using his same shift the topic tendency.

Finally, your argument that the "transitive property" logic is flawed is actually the flawed argument and it is ignorant of American politics. BUT that would take us on a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE detour. But I always say this, not you, nor anyone else ever answers me. What is the "black agenda"....not random general principles. I need to know because until we establish that, we can't weigh whether or not he's failed black people more or less than any other president. And this isn't to argue with you personally, I honestly think we need to start a thread about what the "black agenda" is. I think part of the problem is that black people don't have a single rallying point like they used to. There are so many angles to black issues without a single solution. We don't have a "Dream Act" to rally around .

I got class, hopefully someone makes that thread.

 

[Mowgli]

I knew a dude who talked shyt about Obamacare but when i was like. A, i see you got the gout there, you gonna use that obama care to get that take care of for free. Dude was like "well yea, i mine as well use it if its available"

 

[Broke Wave]

I hope this isn't at me because it doesn't respond to a single thing I said. You're usually more on point than that. But it sounds like it's at me because you used the word "hyperbole." You're really not helping your cause from when people joked that you and TUH are a tag team, instead of responding to what I said, if you are talking about me, you're using his same shift the topic tendency.

Finally, your argument that the "transitive property" logic is flawed is actually the flawed argument and it is ignorant of American politics. BUT that would take us on a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE detour. But I always say this, not you, nor anyone else ever answers me. What is the "black agenda"....not random general principles. I need to know because until we establish that, we can't weigh whether or not he's failed black people more or less than any other president. And this isn't to argue with you personally, I honestly think we need to start a thread about what the "black agenda" is. I think part of the problem is that black people don't have a single rallying point like they used to. There are so many angles to black issues without a single solution. We don't have a "Dream Act" to rally around .

I got class, hopefully someone makes that thread.

Nah this wasnt at you more at Legendnas but i just read a whole post and text block about me and the black agenda and TUH and the transitive property and not a single line about civil liberties and my concerns. Very interesting stuff


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[No1]

@ That crazy guy



But I live in New England and same Massachusett's plan which isn't that different from this Obama plan or the 1994 Republican plan, they're not bad plans. So it being similar means nothing to me. They're not perfect, but they're better than what we had before. Unlike you, I don't see everything through Republican or Democrat. .

 

[CASHAPP]

@BarNone

Finally, the Affordable Care Act expands eligibility for Medicaid—the government health insurance program for low-income people—to cover U.S. citizens and eligible immigrants with incomes of up to 133 percent of the federal poverty line. More individuals will receive higher-quality health care through this expansion.
For many people of color, Medicaid is a lifeline. In 2009 the U.S. Census Bureau found that 26.4 percent of Latino adults and almost half of Latino children access health care through Medicaid and/or the Children’s Health Insurance Program, or CHIP. And as of 2010 there were an estimated 8 million uninsured children in the United States—5 million of these youth were in families living below 200 percent of the poverty level.
Revoking Medicaid’s expansion would have trapped these young people in cycles of poverty: The uninsured have higher rates of illness and disproportionately suffer the effects of lost educational, employment, and other social and civic opportunities.

But Tavis Smiley told me Obama has not done anything to help the poverty problem

 

[MeachTheMonster]

So how the fukk can you support Obama when he supports all that? Do you have any principles? Thats like me supporting Govenor George Wallace just because he was anti war. Unbeleivable.

sent from Mooks pig pen

Can you name a war that didn't cause civilian casualties?

Before these drone strikes planes, bombs, and airborne shooters did these jobs. They all are less accurate and produce more civilian casualties.

The alternative is putting troops on the ground and putting more lives in danger, and even that wouldn't eliminate civilian casualties. If American troops were dying doing the work of drones you'd be complaining about too many American lives being lost.

War is ugly, people die. Dropping everything and coming home isn't an option, so as of right now the best option for America are drone strikes. As opposed to putting thousands of soldiers on the ground.

 

[CASHAPP]

I'm saying though.

Just on actions outside of Congressional gridlock and process, Obama has done enough through the powers of the executive office that anyone with any common sense can see is illegal, fraudulent and corrupt.

I would bet my entire fukking life that if McCain won, and he pushed through the SAME plan as Obamacare, the people on here wouldn't be claiming it did shyt for blacks, minorities and Americans in general.

Not true.

Do you really think if Bush decided to go ahead with the Dream Act instead of privatizing Social Security(which he said was his main regret not switching them around in terms of preference) , that Latinos, Blacks, and South Asians would not give him props?

Republicans have not been known for great domestic things that people love exactly(I think any president would have got criticized of only having something like no child left behind) , but if McCain had done something like this I guarantee you he would get praise. People give props where it is due.

 

[Broke Wave]

Can you name a war that didn't cause civilian casualties?

Before these drone strikes planes, bombs, and airborne shooters did these jobs. They all are less accurate and produce more civilian casualties.

The alternative is putting troops on the ground and putting more lives in danger, and even that wouldn't eliminate civilian casualties. If American troops were dying doing the work of drones you'd be complaining about too many American lives being lost.

War is ugly, people die. Dropping everything and coming home isn't an option, so as of right now the best option for America are drone strikes. As opposed to putting thousands of soldiers on the ground.

I think you need to educate yourself on the nature of drone attacks and the opppsition to them. People die in wars but where is the war? Is there a war on yemen somalia and pakistan? If so declare it. Do we have credible intelligence about the people they are killing? If so show it. The best option for america is not drones. Its peace. America is using drones to kill innocent civilians through its signature and double tap strikes against countries who are not at war. America attacks all armed combat age males and murders them. That creates terrorists.

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[CASHAPP]

Can you name a war that didn't cause civilian casualties?

Before these drone strikes planes, bombs, and airborne shooters did these jobs. They all are less accurate and produce more civilian casualties.

The alternative is putting troops on the ground and putting more lives in danger, and even that wouldn't eliminate civilian casualties. If American troops were dying doing the work of drones you'd be complaining about too many American lives being lost.

War is ugly, people die. Dropping everything and coming home isn't an option, so as of right now the best option for America are drone strikes. As opposed to putting thousands of soldiers on the ground.

Killer Mike came out in support of Obama in 2008, but on R.A.P. Music, one of the best albums of 2012, he went on the attack. On the song “Reagan,” he characterizes Obama as “just another talking head telling lies on teleprompters" and goes on to compare his foreign policy to the Gipper’s. Yet, even as that song was raising eyebrows across the country, Mike was insisting in interviews that he wanted Obama to win reelection, going so far as to claim that black voters would sell out their race if they didn’t support him in 2012: “If you don't vote for Obama this time you're a fukkin' race traitor,” he said.