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maybe it's the media's fault, but Cornel is becoming a 'one trick pony'. I think he's doing a disservice to his legacy by letting himself becoming the token Obama hater

He isn't the token Obama hater. He's just the most known voice out there in the black community, so he's going to get more coverage.

The problem with Dr. West is, he will make some fantastic points that are damn near irrefutable, and he will throw some disrespectful asinine comment here and there.
 

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No. I didn't say any of that. A question was posed to me "what has Obama done in regards to civil rights or helping black people" and I answered.

You dudes are so preoccupied with attacking Obama, that you can't read or think logically.

Obamacare doesn't help black people.

You guys are always here saying that the GOP haven't cared about black issues, but somehow their health care plans benefits black people? Just so dishonest.

Let me help you out with some things that the President does that has helped out civil rights issues:

As Obama Signs Crack Sentencing Bill, Supporters Push for Retroactivity | Main Justice

Obama Signs Equal Pay for Equal Work Bill - ABC News

Obama certifies end of military's gay ban - US news - Life - Military | NBC News










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Obamacare :deadmanny: :deadmanny: :deadmanny:
 

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He isn't the token Obama hater. He's just the most known voice out there in the black community, so he's going to get more coverage.

The problem with Dr. West is, he will make some fantastic points that are damn near irrefutable, and he will throw some disrespectful asinine comment here and there.

I'm just saying that it gets to the point where every time I see his name pop up, it's him being critical of Obama. if nothing else, I think he needs to be careful with that to avoid being used as a pawn. like how Lupe Fiasco is managing to become a regular on Fox News
 

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Obamacare doesn't help black people.

You guys are always here saying that the GOP haven't cared about black issues, but somehow their health care plans benefits black people? Just so dishonest.

Let me help you out with some things that the President does that has helped out civil rights issues:

As Obama Signs Crack Sentencing Bill, Supporters Push for Retroactivity | Main Justice

Obama Signs Equal Pay for Equal Work Bill - ABC News

Obama certifies end of military's gay ban - US news - Life - Military | NBC News










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Obamacare :deadmanny: :deadmanny: :deadmanny:
Black people are most likely to not have healthcare, so how has Obamacare not helped black people?

And I was just giving one example. There are plenty of other things he has done.
 

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Black people are most likely to not have healthcare, so how has Obamacare not helped black people?

Like I said, you and others are constantly in here saying that the GOP has been against black issues for decades, yet for some odd reason, their 1994 plan is now magically pro-black.

I wonder why that is?


The people who had issues buying health insurance already have a means to get government assistance. Now, the rest will be forced to buy private insurances. If you consider that a monumental moment in civil rights, I don't know what to say.
 

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Like I said, you and others are constantly in here saying that the GOP has been against black issues for decades, yet for some odd reason, their 1994 plan is now magically pro-black.

I wonder why that is?
Because they didn't pass it. And they have fought against it since proposing it.
The people who had issues buying health insurance already have a means to get government assistance. Now, the rest will be forced to buy private insurances. If you consider that a monumental moment in civil rights, I don't know what to say.
Not true at all. Millions of people who couldn't afford/qualify for insurance will now be covered. Most of these are blacks and other minorites.
 
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west is a two-faced sycophant for white liberals who has little difficulty mingling among his ivy league peers, yet gets enraged when obama doesn't pay him respect he's deluded himself into thinking he's owed. he's a pretentious fraud, from his silly appearance -- beard and all -- to his blustery pontifications.

also, anyone claiming obamacare doesn't aid black people -- when facts demonstrating otherwise are readily available -- is an intellectually dishonest idiot that isn't worth the words a debate would require.
 

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I agree. He has definitely marginalized Black issues in favor of gay issues. My only point was that giving Black issues the priority they deserve doesn't and shouldn't include marginalizing gay issues as if those people don't also have a very real struggle of their own. Ideally, there should be collaboration and coalition since many of the issues that affect Black people are also issues that affect gay people.

Gay issues shouldn't be marginalized but black issues need to get equal or top billing. Gay rights is an easy lay up right now. He wouldn't have done all this shameless pandering 20 years ago.
 

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"We" attack everyone. What politician does not receive criticism.

Obama is a moderate. Therefore he's going to get tons of hate from both sides. We won't get behind him and push him 100% because we don't believe in his policies. Case in point Obamacare. You seem to forget that democrats didn't even agree with Obamacare. Everyone seems to forget how Obamacare actually went down. How the public option, which is what the dems wanted and the electorate wanted was removed from the table. That's where the criticism comes from. We're having revisionist history here. I see your "point" on criticism. But it's not unfounded.

This can be extended to the bank fallout. Obama is a moderate. Instead of using the crisis as an opportunity to restructure the banking industry, he used it as an opportunity to push through healthcare (here you could argue for either or). They waltzed away free, unemployment stayed shyt, profits hit the roof, the middle class was washed. The electorate was ready to ride on the banking industry b. His popularity was at an all time HIGH from 2008-2010. Ppl seem to forget this. He controlled the story and the narrative. Dude, look at the gains the friggin tea party made during this time. The dems had no focal leadership because they disagreed with the White House on everything. That's where the criticism comes from.

Thats why folks are blinded from the good Obama has done. Because the good always seemed to come at the expense of the better. Every win, just seemed like a shift to the center. Look at the latest debt ceiling talks. 400k is now the new 250k. Obama supporters look at it like, "yeah we got republicans to cave on taxes." Ppl looking at it objectively say, "No you had them crawling (again), they just waited til the tax cuts expired, agreed to 400k, and save face by calling it a pay cut while making you concede on your 250k philosophy."

Now if we're talking about the credit rating fiasco. No one can blame him for that. And nobody did. Ultimately I usually blame his failures on the electorate outside of NY, but he doesn't give them anything to work with so its a share of the blame.

Do ya see my point? Hopefully you do.

I actually think he handled the debt ceiling better this time around better but I do respect that you're criticisms are fleshed out, fair enough.
 
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All true, but no need to put "struggle" in quotation marks. Homosexuals suffer very real systemic discrimination. Statistically, they are much more likely to suffer economic and healthcare-related discrimination than the average American, not to mention actual violence. In fact, last year, there were more violent hate crimes against homosexuals than against members of all religions combined. If you calculate the hate crime rate per population, what you find is that last year, LGBT people suffered 11.5 hate crimes per every 100,000 people, while Black folks suffered 6.5 hate crimes per every 100,000 people.

Question is how do the stats justify a person actual doing violent acts against someone who they don't know is gay. You know when a person is Black. I don't see cops pulling Gays over beating them, shooting them, harassing them or arresting them.

How do you know if 50% of the Gays are Gay if they don't say it or wear it?
 
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west is a two-faced sycophant for white liberals who has little difficulty mingling among his ivy league peers, yet gets enraged when obama doesn't pay him respect he's deluded himself into thinking he's owed. he's a pretentious fraud, from his silly appearance -- beard and all -- to his blustery pontifications.

How do you figure when he addresses it to black folk?



also, anyone claiming obamacare doesn't aid black people -- when facts demonstrating otherwise are readily available -- is an intellectually dishonest idiot that isn't worth the words a debate would require.

shyt was enacted this year...stop acting like Black Folks benefited through his whole presidency.

 

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smh at yall turing yall back on Dr. Cornel West smmfh

No ones turning their back on Cornel but we have put him in a position of Black Academia where he is above reproach. No one is arguing that he has the right to criticize or not criticize Obama. But the main argument are where are his substantive criticisms, he is right about the drone bombings but calling the dude names, is tantamount to an immature child. He is not from the Civil Rights, era, he came up in the 80's and 90's, he was a teenager when Dr. King was killed, he wasn't with him like that, he has no say in dictating Dr. Kings legacy like that. If one of Dr. King's children said what he said I would listen harder.

At the end of the day I believe Barack has the right to swear on MLK's Bible because he is the logical progression of African American achievement in America, the ultimate glass ceiling, more so now as the leader of the most power country in the World. It will be seen as a major part of Civil Rights history whether you agree or not.

As to Baracks Civil Right's record, he has shaped policy that has directly and indirectly helped Black people. I'm well aware that Republicans set up the basis for Healthcare reform but it was not popular by either party, past Presidents have tried to pass it and failed, but Barack achieved it. Is Obamacare perfect, no, but because of it, there are clinics offering fairly comprehensive healthcare for poor black folk that weren't there prior and millions of low income people have access to Healthcare nationwide. Health is a Civil Right.

Even people arguing about the banks being let go forget Obama created an entire division for Consumer Protection, and big banks just got checked and had to cut bonuses for their top executives.

Has made education more affordable than it has been.

His investment in alternative energy and traditional energy created a clear path for young Black kids to pursue should they stay diligent.

He's softened the drug laws and put decriminalization in the conversation.

I'm not crazy about how he handled our wars abroad, I'll concede to that but we are dialing down.

This isn't idealistic stuff but tangible things he has done in his time as President in essentially 1 term.

As to Obama's support of the gay community, gay and Black issue are damn near intertwined, the problem is gays are far more organized than blacks have been (we're getting there though). But he has looked out for Black people and there is a lot of evidence in the Bills and laws he has passed.
 

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the whole "indirectly helped black folks" thing is hilarious to me. The problem is, Obama rarely "directly" speaks to blacks in such terms...it's always his proxies on TV or online doing the job for him.

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