Confederate Flag Debate

[xoxodede]

I didn't expect much of a response, but a gif? From you?



Did I just win?

I just think it's a waste of time. You are entitled to feel however you want. I will just either ignore your post -- or place you on ignore. I can't anymore.

Blessings in 2019 for you and yours.

 

[Elle Driver]

Slavery was a major factor in the South seceding from the Union. It wasn't the only factor but it was a major driver. Lincoln before being elected already had announced that he intended any new state to be a "free" state. That was going to tip the balance to the non-slave holding states. The election of 1960 favored Republicans, which the South perceived as threats to their establishment.

Slavery was a way of life and the economic engine for the South (for the country in general, but specifically for the South). They weren't comfortable in what they were seeing from the U.S. Government and felt the momentum was going against them. There were some other issues as well, not saying it was all slavery, but they fought to preserve their way of life and slavery was a big part of it.

Now, if we are talking about the North, they didn't give a rats ass about slaves. They just wanted to preserve the union (i.e. resources/manpower/tax base).

Its why they created the southern strategy.

 

[tremonthustler1]

saying the word ratchet in room full of white folk lol

regardless of race the confederates lost why still fly the flag?

cuz they want a rematch one day

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

I just think it's a waste of time. You are entitled to feel however you want. I will just either ignore your post -- or place you on ignore. I can't anymore.

Blessing in 2019 for you and yours.

I think it's clear we both advocate for so called DOS, we just differ in our approach Don't mistake my criticisms as a personal attack or otherwise, it's about the rhetoric.

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

I just think it's a waste of time. You are entitled to feel however you want. I will just either ignore your post -- or place you on ignore. I can't anymore.

Blessing in 2019 for you and yours.

I think it's clear we both advocate for so called DOS, we just differ in our approach Don't mistake my criticisms as a personal attack or otherwise, it's about the rhetoric.

 

[Draje]

@HellRell804 seems to be dodging @xoxodede

 

[invalid]

Them damn flags don't bother me. I'm from the South. I ain't know them shyts where perceived as bad till I started browsing this site lol

There were also blacks in the south that were still enslaved 100 years after the emancipation that didn’t know they were free.

Blacks Were Enslaved Well into the 1960s - VICE

 

[SPACE IS FAKE]

I gave the bird to a guy with his confederate flag flying off his truck

He turned around and followed me into my work parking lot

Nothing happened though

fukk him

Where in ct was this

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

Bullshyt fam. It was over states rights all right, the right to have slavery. Those rich cacs who profited off of the slave trade instigated the war by scaring the poor Johnny rebs that the govt of the North was coming for them next.

Imagine how evil and manipulative you have to be to convince poor whites, most of whom are poor because the economic landscape of the south was the slave industry, to put their lives on the line to maintain a system that prevents them from getting better jobs. And imagine wanting to keep a job that required you to beat, torture, and abuse people without consequence.

Yeah that action was documented in ken burns (the civil war)

I only discovered Ken Burns after the Vietnam doc. I have to see this.

 

[Lord_nikon]

I only discovered Ken Burns after the Vietnam doc. I have to see this.

 

[Gravity]

I know this is the internet where everything is black and white and there's no room for nuance, but the civil war wasn't fought to end slavery. Even Lincoln said if he could end the war without freeing a single slave he would...

With that said, on the issue of a massive powerful federal government vs. Individual states having the right to govern themselves, the South was probably right. The federal government as we know it has only grown larger and more corrupt. And the centralization of all that power has created a class of people who are above regular citizens and above the law...

You’re waaaay off. The only thing stopping slavery from being legal right now is the federal government. He’ll, the only thing stopping these white militia groups from terrorizing blacks on some kkk-lunch mob shyt is the federal government.

You’re also wrong about the civil war. It was fought to end slavery in the south. That Lincoln quote is about him acknowledging the fact that the union couldn’t be kept together as long as the south were allowed to have slaves. Lincoln’s admission was that he wasn’t ending slavery because he cared about blacks or was against the enslavement of black people, he was just trying to keep the union/country together.

 

[JamilALAmin]

I gave the bird to a guy with his confederate flag flying off his truck

He turned around and followed me into my work parking lot

Nothing happened though

fukk him

Legally that’s actually stalking homie, you should’ve stopped the car, got out and drawn down on his ass. For real. Dude as a Black man the confederate flag would’ve been enough for you to have a leg to stand on legally to say you felt threatened already and him following you on top of of that? Hell nah. I don’t advocate starting shyt, but if somebody dumb enough to put themselves in the grey area with me, then I’m bout to dance with they stupid ass all night.

 

[Luke Cage]

I know this is the internet where everything is black and white and there's no room for nuance, but the civil war wasn't fought to end slavery. Even Lincoln said if he could end the war without freeing a single slave he would...

With that said, on the issue of a massive powerful federal government vs. Individual states having the right to govern themselves, the South was probably right. The federal government as we know it has only grown larger and more corrupt. And the centralization of all that power has created a class of people who are above regular citizens and above the law...

Maybe for white people I curious what you think my great great great grandfathers reasons for fighting in the civil war were though? Considering all the other reasons people bring up don't apply black people for the most part. It's one thing to hear a white person say "we were fighting for property rights etc" But an emancipated black person couldn't even own property because the emancipation proclamation was only a temporary war measure, why were we fighting if not to end slavery? Also Abraham Lincoln had every opportunity to end the war without permanently freeing a single slave but he didn't. The south was already negotiating surrender long before they pasted the 13th amendment. He deliberately held off peace talks and prolonged the war just so he could free the slaves without southern legislative interference.

 

[HellRell804]

@HellRell804 seems to be dodging @xoxodede

 

[HellRell804]

And yall some real live bytches. All this about a flag from people who lost a war 100 years ago. It's like being offended at a Redskins flag.

And I still stand on what I say. If anybody should support states rights I would think it would be the people who threw a 2 year and counting tantrum when Trump won an election. Its easier to leave a state then to leave the country like so many claimed they were going to do.

People in the north west could have their socialist utopia, north east could try democratic socialism, there would probably be a libertarian state, it would be the Ultimate battleground of ideology.

You people dont even know why you defend the corrupt federal government. Especially if you're black. You just do what you're programmed to do and hold "acceptable" opinions. I've even seen so called black people defending the CIA this year. Pure madness