Confederate Flag Debate

[Devilinurear]

And yall some real live bytches. All this about a flag from people who lost a war 100 years ago. It's like being offended at a Redskins flag.

And I still stand on what I say. If anybody should support states rights I would think it would be the people who threw a 2 year and counting tantrum when Trump won an election. Its easier to leave a state then to leave the country like so many claimed they were going to do.

People in the north west could have their socialist utopia, north east could try democratic socialism, there would probably be a libertarian state, it would be the Ultimate battleground of ideology.

You people dont even know why you defend the corrupt federal government. Especially if you're black. You just do what you're programmed to do and hold "acceptable" opinions. I've even seen so called black people defending the CIA this year. Pure madness

What state would have enforced equality without the federal government. Name one state?

But you have been brainwashed yourself because you did the minimal research.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Where in ct was this

Berlin turnpike

 

[Luke Cage]

The whole it's not offensive it's our culture argument is bullshyt because i see people born and raised in Ohio waving confederate flags like they didn't grow up in a what was a union state. Their ancestors probably fought against the south and hated that flag with a passion, talking about it's our culture foh.

also, i still wouldn't give a pass either way because no other country honors ignoble lost causes. Not a single statue for hitler in germany talking about culture.

So bullshyt either way. That's a symbol of racism to me plain and simple. No other way to interpret it.
The only way to defend it is to say you don't care, which is stupid because symbolism is most common form of inspiration and inspiration leads to causes. causes to belief, belief to action.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

This will be a waste of my time like always

but just as a reminder, we have our own flag, the one that the honorable Marcus Garvey created for us:

But carry on just ranting and raving about what you hate instead of showcasing love of self and your communities by proudly waving your own

 

[Yaboysix]

Are you Black American?

Also, that sounds weird AF. I don't know any Black people from the South -- who don't know what the flag represents -- or thinks it's cool - or Ok.

I would think any who thinks it nothing and it doesn't bother them - are not aware of the history of the flag - and what it really means.

The Confederate Flag was used as a symbol for KKK violence, lynching, segregation -- and enslavement of Black people.

Every one in them pictures look retarded .fukk them,their lineage,and their hate.

Bruh I was just saying it dont bother me cuz I grew up around it.

fukk that flag.the racist down here you need to worry about don't even rock a flag publicly .

 

[SPACE IS FAKE]

Berlin turnpike

My boy said they got cheap gas over there..but I’m not around. Surprising they feel bold enough to wave those flags

 

[Crayola Coyote]

I know this is the internet where everything is black and white and there's no room for nuance, but the civil war wasn't fought to end slavery. Even Lincoln said if he could end the war without freeing a single slave he would...

With that said, on the issue of a massive powerful federal government vs. Individual states having the right to govern themselves, the South was probably right. The federal government as we know it has only grown larger and more corrupt. And the centralization of all that power has created a class of people who are above regular citizens and above the law...

Man white folks started a whole war over who would control black peoples. GTFOH

 

[Crayola Coyote]

Breh, we have a copy of a letter that was written by the man who owned my 2nd Great Grandfather (who was also his father), that was sent to President Lincoln, where he explicitly states what he understood to be the reason for the war and to let the President know that he wanted to be in full compliance and good standing with the Union. That reason was slavery.

This man was a wealthy Georgia banker and planter.
His father helped build the University of Georgia.
His daughter was married to a Governor of Georgia that served as a General in the Confederacy.

He was of particular interest to Lincoln when it came to assessing the debt of planters and landowners throughout Georgia. Lincoln noted that, after the war, he must have been the poorest man in all of Georgia because everyone was in debt to him. As one of the wealthiest bankers in the state, he essentially funded the Georgia Confederate Army.

That is heavy. Have your family ever took those white folks to court for owning your grandfather?

 

[xoxodede]

What state would have enforced equality without the federal government. Name one state?

But you have been brainwashed yourself because you did the minimal research.

At one time the "Civil War" was known as the "Slaveholders' Rebellion" -- if that isn't clear about what the war was about - then nothing else is.

The Slaveholders’ Rebellion Bill

The Slaveholder's Rebellion

The slaveholders' rebellion, and the downfall of slavery in America

What the Name "Civil War" Tells Us-and Why It Matters - The Journal of the Civil War Era

Some of us are just brainwashed and -- gone.

The same ones usually believe in Black Confederates - aka enslaved black men forced to fight with their Confederate enslaver.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

My boy said they got cheap gas over there..but I’m not around. Surprising they feel bold enough to wave those flags

Gas is super cheap there for sure thats where i get it because i work over there

 

[Nintendough]

If you wanna play cac games....its an enemy flag technically

 

[BrothaZay]

He asked me if there was a problem and i said yeah im going to work

Lmao yo scary ass

 

[invalid]

That is heavy. Have your family ever took those white folks to court for owning your grandfather?

How would they do so when they owned him legally? Slavery was a legal institution in the United States. So the white family was operating within their legal rights. Additionally, it would be hard to hold the current generation of a family responsible for the ownership of property that was legally acquired and possessed by a relative that lived 200 years ago. If anything, enslaved families would need to sue the US Government for the legalization of an institution that perpetuated human rights violations against them. The government is who you would go after, not the family.

Additionally, my 2nd great grandfather was educated and given land by his white father. Because many Georgia landowners were in debt to his father and defaulted because of the war, their land was made collateral and confiscated. His father acquired land all around Atlanta and the surrounding counties. The land that was acquired in Cobb County was given to my 2nd great-grandfather (Cobb County was the furthest away from where the white family lived on the opposite side of Atlanta in Monroe, GA which is in Walton County (There is also a story that he killed a white man near Monroe and that his father sent him to Cobb to save him from being killed by a mob)). That bequest of land in addition to a series of successful businesses made my 2nd great-grandfather, along with his son-in-law, the wealthiest black men in Cobb County, Georgia before the Great Depression (they lost much of their wealth).

They say the best revenge is success. The current branch of the black side of our family in Atlanta is just as successful as the white side. Both sides are currently banking and merchant powerhouses in the city. Not only that, the white side acknowledges that there is a black side of the family, apologized back in the 60's, invited the black side of the family to family reunions (my great grandfather used to attend in the 70's) and includes the black branches of the family in their history books.

So land was given to the black son. White side apologized and acknowledges the black side. And also white side includes the black side in their history books and family reunions. You can't really expect much more than that to be honest.

And just fyi, this is not some rosy tale of reconciliation between whites and blacks. My 2nd great grandfather HATED white people to the grave. So much so that he named my great grandfather after John Brown. And even he hated white people. He killed a white man and had to be smuggled out of Atlanta to Chicago.

 

[gangreen]

Confederate Flag = Nazi Germany Flag

 

[xoxodede]

How would they do so when they owned him legally? Slavery was a legal institution in the United States. So the white family was operating within their legal rights. Additionally, it would be hard to hold the current generation of a family responsible for the ownership of property that was legally acquired and possessed by a relative that lived 200 years ago. If anything, enslaved families would need to sue the US Government for the legalization of an institution that perpetuated human rights violations against them. The government is who you would go after, not the family.

Additionally, my 2nd great grandfather was educated and given land by his white father. Because many Georgia landowners were in debt to his father and defaulted because of the war, their land was made collateral and confiscated. His father acquired land all around Atlanta and the surrounding counties. The land that was acquired in Cobb County was given to my 2nd great-grandfather (Cobb County was the furthest away from where the white family lived on the opposite side of Atlanta in Monroe, GA which is in Walton County (There is also a story that he killed a white man near Monroe and that his father sent him to Cobb to save him from being killed by a mob)). That bequest of land in addition to a series of successful businesses made my 2nd great-grandfather, along with his son-in-law, the wealthiest black men in Cobb County, Georgia before the Great Depression (they lost much of their wealth).

They say the best revenge is success. The current branch of the black side of our family in Atlanta is just as successful as the white side. Both sides are currently banking and merchant powerhouses in the city. Not only that, the white side acknowledges that there is a black side of the family, apologized back in the 60's, invited the black side of the family to family reunions (my great grandfather used to attend in the 70's) and includes the black branches of the family in their history books.

So land was given to the black son. White side apologized and acknowledges the black side. And also white side includes the black side in their history books and family reunions. You can't really expect much more than that to be honest.

And just fyi, this is not some rosy tale of reconciliation between whites and blacks. My 2nd great grandfather HATED white people to the grave. So much so that he named my great grandfather after John Brown. And even he hated white people. He killed a white man and had to be smuggled out of Atlanta to Chicago.

Are you descendants of The Hairstons?

On reparations - I agree going after the government is the way - but I also think those same families who profited off of my ancestors should pay - especially if what they have today is the due to what was done in the past.

For instance, my maternal side - my grandmother mothers family was not only enslaved -- but forced into terrible sharecropping contracts. That family today still owns most of the land, real estate and grocery stores in that county/town.

Like you, these same people acknowledge us and our ancestors. Mainly cause they know we are related (2nd cousins and up) - and not by choice.

We don't invite them to anything - neither do they - but because they own so much of the town - a lot of my family there still works for them and have purchased/rented homes in their many subdivisions they built via their real estate company.

My great granny was bi-racial due to her father being the son of the man who once enslaved her mother and grandparents - whom they all continued to work for after emancipation. That same family I mentioned above.