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The American lifestyle.
life isn't black and white, it isn't one sole cause. Could americans be healthier? Certainly, but LACK OF HEALTHCARE is a significant factor here. It contributes to 45,000 deaths a year. Also, due to the insane costs of healthcare, most people don't go to the doctor until they're very ill or are in the later stages of disease. Our citizens average 0-3 doctor visits a year while most national healthcare countries average 4-12. Our average lifespan is 78 which is about a year below the worldwide average.
 

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i once saw a pillow listed as a "cranium comfort device" or something like that and costing almost 200 dollars, and it's not like you get to take the hospital pillow home either...
 

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life isn't black and white, it isn't one sole cause. Could americans be healthier? Certainly, but LACK OF HEALTHCARE is a significant factor here. It contributes to 45,000 deaths a year. Also, due to the insane costs of healthcare, most people don't go to the doctor until they're very ill or are in the later stages of disease. Our citizens average 0-3 doctor visits a year while most national healthcare countries average 4-12. Our average lifespan is 78 which is about a year below the worldwide average.
So when its free or at low cost its used more...:ehh: Sure, I can see that. The public model failed in China, a nation closer to our size, and they have since adopted a more market based system. You guys keep pointing at nations the size of Oregon and going "see it can work".:beli:

But that's not the real issue, the real issue is cost, and not monetary cost. Cost in quality, wait time, and innovation.

The vast majority of life saving drugs are researched and developed here in the states, under our "broken system" which means we are indirectly saving the lives of people world wide through our selfish efforts.:ohhh:

Also force. Anything that you have to ram down peoples throats should be questioned...
 

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but does he have insurance?

if so he's not paying that and neither is the insurance company

if not, I'd like to welcome all republicans and libertarians against the healthcare mandate to explain:
1) how he's supposed to pay for this
2) why the rest of society should pay for this if it was a procedure done through the ER

:stopitslime:

1- this person still had to pay $11,000

2- the high prices of these line items are set by the hospitals but with influence from insurance companies. I have already shown you proof of this. The higher the prices the more fear they put into people to buy their product. Your post is a great example of fear mongering as advertising.
 

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Care to explain why we have the lowest average life span for industrialized nations despite spending the most on healthcare? Care to explain why the entire world has socialized medicine? Are we the only "competent" ones?
@Angelic Servers Answer this question u ol bytch ass coward ass nikka
 

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So when its free or at low cost its used more...:ehh: Sure, I can see that. The public model failed in China, a nation closer to our size, and they have since adopted a more market based system. You guys keep pointing at nations the size of Oregon and going "see it can work".:beli:

But that's not the real issue, the real issue is cost, and not monetary cost. Cost in quality, wait time, and innovation.

The vast majority of life saving drugs are researched and developed here in the states, under our "broken system" which means we are indirectly saving the lives of people world wide through our selfish efforts.:ohhh:

Also force. Anything that you have to ram down peoples throats should be questioned...


No, in our particular system monetary cost IS the bigger issue, since a large part of the country (including some people with insurance) can't afford healthcare. You have people showing up in the ER and/or dying from things that could've been easily caught and prevented with regular checkups.

But I guess if you're Libertarian, that's ok as long as we have the "best healthcare", even if only 20 people in the country can afford it. :aicmon:

I'm not even gonna go into how incredibly naive the idea that nobody should ever be forced to do anything is... :snooze:
 

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i once saw a pillow listed as a "cranium comfort device" or something like that and costing almost 200 dollars, and it's not like you get to take the hospital pillow home either...
Thats ridiculous!:wow:. Straight robbery.
 

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I'm not even gonna go into how incredibly naive the idea that nobody should ever be forced to do anything is... :snooze:
Force is wrong :yeshrug: nothing naive about it. You just dont give a shyt about individual liberty... your a liberal.

Essentially your saying people aren't giving enough, and that they are greedy shytheads as libertarians contend, so we must force them to do good :bryan:good being defined by us.:bryan:
 

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Force is wrong :yeshrug: nothing naive about it. You just dont give a shyt about individual liberty... your a liberal.

Essentially your saying people aren't giving enough, and that they are greedy shytheads as libertarians contend, so we must force them to do good :bryan:good being defined by us.:bryan:

Saying "Force is always wrong" is an incredibly naive and simplistic view on morality...pretty befitting of Libertarians.

Maybe if we lived in some sort of utopia that'd be true, but in the real world it's often necessary to force people to do things, either for their own good or for the greater good. In fact that's the point of having a government. The idea that no amount of "force" is ever morally permissible and that this completely trumps any other considerations about morality or justice is very, very ridiculous if you actually think about it. If you can't see this then you haven't actually thought about what your saying, but I'll give you one example of how silly this is -

Suppose a man, who has committed no violence against anyone, has a highly contagious disease. While he isn't dying, as long as he has the disease it will inevitably spread to other people and many of them will in fact die. There is medication available to cure the disease but, for whatever reason (maybe his religious beliefs?), he is unwilling to take it.

Common sense would dictate that the government (perhaps the CDC) would be justified in quarantining this guy and forcing him to take the medication anyway. But Libertarians would say that aggression/force is always wrong, no matter what the circumstance, so...I guess we just let the guy continue to infect people until the free-market somehow does something about it? After all, we wouldn't want to violate the non-aggression principle, right?
:ehh:

See how silly that is? And yes, I could come up with hundreds of other similar scenarios. Fact is, in the real world, it is sometimes necessary to force people to do things. To say otherwise is naive and utopian. Having the basis of your political philosophy be "Nobody should never, ever, never, ever, never, ever be able to make anybody do anything they don't want to do :mad:" is the epitome of a childish philosophy.
 
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