Coli centrists, what's so great about centrism: come in here and sell us on your political leaning

[Pressure]

In this thread we've said that the Overton window has shifted.

That the current slate of dems are more progressive than what we saw even 6 years ago.

That Joe Biden's campaign promises are more progressive than Obama.

And his entire agenda is being held up by 2 people.

So either centrists aren't the problem or maybe they are, but you're painting with far too wide brush strokes.

 

[Conan]

Reminded of those memes about Centrists holding hands and chanting softly about incremental change

I get being a Centrist out of pragmatism, but actually taking pride in being one? When centrism has been ineffectual as fukk in American politics? What a sad existence that must be, to actually be proud of being milquetoast

 

[Secure Da Bag]

so which party was forcing the vaccine? forcing masks? forcing businesses to close? and all for barely more effective results than the party that just left people alone?

Barely more effective results? How did you come to that conclusion? Seeing as vaccines and pills kept people from piling up at the morgues. Or the masks kept the unvaccinated actually safe?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So what I've gathered is you don't have a model to successfully implement socialism in America.

It's a joy to watch how smoothly you shift to the next goalpost every time one of your claims gets shot down.

We are an reasonably democratic society to a degree, certainly moreso than we were hundreds of years ago when these economic systems were implemented, far moreso even than 150 and 100 years ago when socialism got its largest previous movements. If a large enough component of the American population supports socialism, it can be implemented. But it will take an extensive process of combating not just the rich capitalist boosters who currently benefit from inequality and don't wish to see it go away, but also decades of pro-capitalist propaganda in education, politics, and media that has done everything possible to poison every American against any attempt to change shyt for the better.

That's why we discuss this shyt. That's why we support people openly talking about socialism. That's why we talk about shifting the Overton Window. And that's why we shyt so hard on wealthy people, who absolutely benefit from capitalist inequalities and don't care if they remain. The majority of Americans, especially the majority of Black Americans, can learn that wealthy capitalists are not on their side.

And you are also disregarding stable healthy societies that practice some from of capitalism because that's just not what you want and you know what's best for everyone.

There is no such thing. There is not a single capitalist society on Earth that is using resources sustainably or is on a path to use resources sustainably. Not even remotely close. Under capitalist principles it's literally not possible unless serious measures are taken that by any reasonable definition are socialist.

This doesn't even come from socialist ideology. I've never been particularly enveloped in any sort of socialist community, I've hardly read any socialist literature. It comes from looking at the reality of what environmental devastation, labor force abuse, and extreme wealth inequalities are doing to the world and working backwards from there. If you devote any serious part of your life to any of those issues, it becomes increasingly difficult to imagine a future where capitalism, where ANY form of capitalism as currently practiced, leads us to anything other than a horrific dystopia.

 

[Pressure]

Y'all have fun
It took 200 posts, but we finally got to the point where he admits he only wants the world the way he wants it.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Barely more effective results? How did you come to that conclusion? Seeing as vaccines and pills kept people from piling up at the morgues. Or the masks kept the unvaccinated actually safe?

@the cac mamba , what do you think of these Covid death rates? Florida is a good 5x higher than numerous blue states. And these are just official Covid deaths - that's not even taking into account the lack of testing and suppression of reporting in red states. Why do you think so many more of Deathsantis's constitutents were dying if the Democrat policies were only "barely more effective"?

And that's just for 65+. Considering the disparity in behavior was even greater among the under-65 group (cause even diehard red seniors got pretty shook), I'd bet the death disparities among the younger cohorts are even higher.

 

[wire28]

Y'all have fun
It took 200 posts, but we finally got to the point where he admits he only wants the world the way he wants it.

I told y’all this nikka the fukkin energizer bunny nobody got time to go back and forth like that

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I told y’all this nikka the fukkin energizer bunny nobody got time to go back and forth like that

that's his method to "bodying every reply", post of wall of text aint nobody trying to read let alone reply to...save that dissertation for IRL debates, this a message board, not story board

 

[the cac mamba]

We won’t even get into the retarded anti public health shyt you like to spew

actually, the facts are that the lockdowns and forced masking had a terrible effect on children, society, and the economy. with little to show on the "public health" front, to offset it

you have no moral high ground on public health. Covid Hero Cuomo buried that argument for the left, along with his nursing home victims

 

[the cac mamba]

@the cac mamba , what do you think of these Covid death rates? Florida is a good 5x higher than numerous blue states. And these are just official Covid deaths - that's not even taking into account the lack of testing and suppression of reporting in red states. Why do you think so many more of Deathsantis's constitutents were dying if the Democrat policies were only "barely more effective"?

And that's just for 65+. Considering the disparity in behavior was even greater among the under-65 group (cause even diehard red seniors got pretty shook), I'd bet the death disparities among the younger cohorts are even higher.

i told you, i havent taken these charts seriously ever since they included colin powell; an 84 year old man with cancer

that's my centrist take

 

[Pressure]

I told y’all this nikka the fukkin energizer bunny nobody got time to go back and forth like that

It's impressive. I'm not even going to troll, just tip my hat to how passionate he is about it.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

actually, the facts are that the lockdowns and forced masking had a terrible effect on children, society, and the economy. with little to show on the "public health" front, to offset it

you have no moral high ground on public health. Covid Hero Cuomo buried that argument for the left, along with his nursing home victims

Ur like a Fox News Machine. Quote you and just start spewing nonsensical buzz words from the dumbest people in media and on the internet lmao

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

It’s funny how the centrists just came in admitted they straight up don’t give a fukk about people or Policy’s and just Proceeded to Troll lol. Thanks for proving OP’s point

 

[Professor Emeritus]

i told you, i havent taken these charts seriously ever since they included colin powell; an 84 year old man with cancer

that's my centrist take

That's idiocy. Why would they selectively not count Covid deaths due to preexisting conditions - don't you realized how badly a policy like that could be abused to fudge the numbers? And what impact would it have anyway - do you think Florida's old folk had cancer 5x as often as the old folk in all the blue states?

Cancer rates should be roughly even across states. They would have literally zero impact on that chart. If vaccination, masking, and other blue state measures are ineffective, then why the fukk were folk dying in Florida at a rate at least 500% higher? And that is BEFORE you factor in the inevitable red state undercounts from reduced testing and government pressure.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Most of these people here aren't here to discuss policy and it shows.

Threads aren't even about what policies can be pushed. Just about what named clique you roll with

If some people in here took a second to stop trying to shyt on people for not thinking exactly like them, they’d find out they have more in common then they’d expect and therefore should be working with them.

Unless you got time to kill, it’s best to just avoid most of these guys. They stay mad and lashing out. What a life to live.

Ironic as fukk that these comments were just two pages ago. Do y'all have any self-awareness at all?

Y'all have fun
It took 200 posts, but we finally got to the point where he admits he only wants the world the way he wants it.

How insanely hypocritical is this. You absolutely refuse to accept socialism as a possibility even though capitalism is destroying the world and you have no pathway to stop it, but when someone holds a different position than you on socialism, rather than debating them on policy you just attack the very idea that they refuse to accept your worldview. I'm willing to try MANY different means of halting our unsustainable destruction of the world. I've just spent long enough studying the issue to see that capitalism can't do it, by its very nature.

I told y’all this nikka the fukkin energizer bunny nobody got time to go back and forth like that

that's his method to "bodying every reply", post of wall of text aint nobody trying to read let alone reply to...save that dissertation for IRL debates, this a message board, not story board

It's impressive. I'm not even going to troll, just tip my hat to how passionate he is about it.

Noting that these thinly-veiled insults come from posters who have 41,000 posts, 53,000 posts, and 35,000 posts respectively. And 90% of their posts are inane. If they have time to write 130,000 posts of bullshyting around, why claim there's no time to write just 5-10 posts defending actual positions?

And none of my comments are so long that they would take more than 1-2 minutes to read. They barely took any longer than that to write. I know this is the social media age, but I believe all three of you grew up before that era, are highly literate, and went to college. So there's literally nothing in this thread beyond your ability to read. Troll less or spend 10 fewer minutes on social media today and you'll have plenty of time.