I think there are areas where Americans would embrace widespread change. But like might adoption models they don't look to do it all at once. When we launch new product features we don't just push them all out at once and say, "Hey, you'll love it once you get used to it." We know that when you make large wholesale changes people face pushback and long term adoptions rate suffer or people reject the product altogether. Practical example, Windows 8 and Windows 10 launches. Customers stuck with Windows XP and Windows 7. It's easier and more beneficial when making wholesale changes to fix the subsets that lead to an overall change of the whole and explain to people how to these changes are better.
No one has explained why that model doesn't apply to policy. Instead, it's just hand-waiving it away as incrementalism.
Of course not. Our governing system is broken and the institutions are functioning in the way that people were taught they should or in ways they did in the past when we saw more programs being pushed out. I don't think anyone disagree here.
It doesn't bother me that you're further left than I am. It also doesn't bother me that others are further right. Largely because there is overlap among policies we share and I think it's important for us to push for those changes. Hyper partisanship and a broken Senate are big obstacles for that goal.
Regarding the Overton window, I wonder what shift you're looking to see? We already see many programs are popular across the spectrum at this point, but there is little meaningful gain. What other perception are you looking for that will elicit a response that give you that outcome?
I push for the policies I care most about and on election day I make the practical decision on who will provide more good than bad. I aspect this is the norm despite the criticisms I see on display here.
I laugh at people who think that their views are the only things that matter because I know that isn't realistic and that's not reality. Most of these people here aren't here to discuss policy and it shows. As a result, the tone of our interaction has shifted in the 6 years that I've been here. I mean, what is this thread really? A guy made a thread, allegedly asking an honest question, only to make numerous posts before he even got a response talking shyt about the people he wants to engage. Then you all come in here wondering why people treat them with disdain. It's earned.
Just look at the response to my otherwise harmless quote: "I'm willing to sacrifice positions I don't care about as much to get the things I find more important" was met with the nonsensical take of "you want to kill people!"
That's goofy.
Sorry man, but this should be targeted to your fellow leftist posters. Most of the "pragmatists" here don't actually care what policies you adopt. Just don't act like people are engaging in active harm because they have different political views than you might on the same spectrum. Majority of the threads are neoliberal this, centrists that, blah blah blah.
As an intelligent, educated, successful person, I am happy enough in my life that the musings of HL doesn't affect my life because I know people don't actually act like this in real life when it's time to get the work done. You know this as well.
Come on man. We know that progressives aren't the group that pushed Biden over the top compared to Hillary.
Again, your progressives friends who need to persuade people to get the systemic change they want should take this advice. As I've said before, most of what I advocate for affects other people more than it does me. Either way my life isn't going to change much.
Voters ultimately bear responsibility. Elections have consequences.
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