Coli centrists, what's so great about centrism: come in here and sell us on your political leaning

[ogc163]

You still thirsty for my attention?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Breh really going off on some, "Don't bait me into a reasonable policy discussion, I'm here to troll!" shyt.

 

[NZA]

what do centrist believe in. That's the point of this thread and the question still hasn't been answered

What do republicans/conservatives believe in

Racism/white supremacy
Guns
Low taxes
Christianity (for the religious faction)
anti federal gov't
strong borders/anti immigration
etc


what do progressives believe in

Racial Equality
criminal justice reform
Improving the standard of living for everyone (republicans and centrist call it socialism though)
pro unions
Anti-wars and anti imperialism
pro raising taxes on the richest and wealthy in society
etc


No what do centrists actually stand for. And please save the "centrist are more electable" answers, I'm talking policy here

i think these are pretty foundational:

neoliberalism (compassionate capitalism)
technocracy (meritocratic justification for hierarchy)
globalism (altruistic justification of empire)

 

[Ozymandeas]

Centrists are stopping the country from being overrun by lunatic traditionalist right wingers, if there was a persuasive and influential alternative on the left (via progressivism) or the right ( via a silicon valley like libertarianism) I would be embrace the undermining of centrism.

But, the issue progressives in this thread seemingly prefer to avoid is that they are not good at being persuasive to the average American voter. And that leads people like myself to rather deal with the centrists than progressives who too often care more about being "right" than being persuasive.

However, even if the fickle counterargument is made that centrism has failed to inspire and thus the lack of inspratio has lead to GOP gains, progressives still have to contend with the fact that they consistently get beaten by the centrists. Thus, if you consistently racking up L's to the vanilla ass politicians that embody the centrist left, maybe it would be beneficial to acknowledge and figure out why the progressive message doesn't seem to scale.

Sadly I expect the same set of excuses and rationalizations from progressives on this site about why they struggle to overcome such a mediocore set of messaging-- corporate media, Americans being dumb, and the lack of money--and get aggy when you make it clear it doesn't make sense to bet on them when time, resources, energy are limited and it's an accepted premise that the political game is comes with considerable constraints.

And so I'd rather deal with the group that operated within those constraints byway of tradeoffs versus progessivds who think moral grandstanding serving as the foundation of their strategy is likely to move the needle despite consistent evidence that doesn't work.

 

[wire28]

I don't want to continue derailing the thread, this is my last response to you here, again I think it's best we don't engage with each other here or HL in general.

Dude is weird. He’s mad I didn’t respond to him (about a candidate who I said is cool in the past funny enough) at 2 in the fukkin morning. nikka I got a job Note how I haven’t responded to any of the usual suspects but they still crave attention and this guy in particular will write a thesis on any subject even if you ask him if the sky is blue


Unless you got time to kill, it’s best to just avoid most of these guys. They stay mad and lashing out. What a life to live.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

no one asked to sacrifice anyone's life. That's the nonsense you came up with. Predictably so, and Predictably irrelevant.

I'm convinced y'all on drugs and sitting in a dark room looking for happiness on a messageboard.

And to be clear, I don't need to sell you on my leanings. If the premise of the thread is to hold true, there are things I value that like to get accomplished and I don't have a problem who gets them done and I don't care if things I view as less important get sacrificed in the process.

This you?^^^^


I can’t wrap my head around if your being a naive or you’re just a c*nt. Can you not understand what gets sacrificed 99% due to government inaction or are you just that dumb???

FWIW you still haven’t explained your beliefs because as I’ve accurately pointed out time and time again you have none

 

[CrimsonTider]

@Rhakim

You can’t be serious

 

[Mook]

But he DID do it again. That's why your claim makes no fukking sense.

Bernie was responsible for all-time record youth turnout in Iowa 2020 and dominated a huge youth turnout in New Hampshire 2020 and Nevada 2020 too. The youth didn't stop voting for him until the Media + Establishment + every other candidate teamed together to tell them the election was over and they weren't going to get a say.

So long as the election was still in question, young people were coming out really well. But guess what - cynical low-turnout groups tend to give up easily when you fukk them over, take power out of their hands, and tell them their voices don't matter. You'd think that would be a reason to stop doing it.

Who cares dude. He lost cause he was a bum. Stop defending a damn bum. Just earlier in this thread you were saying progressives more worried about being right than trying to persuade people. Well you’re doing the same thing now

Your entire argument is basically “Bernie’s enemies acted like enemies are supposed to and stopped him”

Bernie used the same strategy that lost him 2016 in 2020 so he’s a moron for that 1. And that dweeb had awful rhetoric.

 

[Mowgli]

There's a time and a place for liberal and conservatism. A centrist ideally should be able to see the benefit of both and avoid the extremism cultism that exists when you go to far in either direction

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

There's a time and a place for liberal and conservatism. A centrist ideally should be able to see the benefit of both and avoid the extremism cultism that exists when you go to far in either direction

Centrism isnt a political ideology really. It's a label used to define people who pick and choose from either wing ideas that they approve of. Theres nothing inherently wrong with that but I dont think it's good strategy to appeal to them or run candidates like them. They tend to float with the wind and even if they are reliable voters, they may not be reliable in who they vote for.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Your entire argument is basically “Bernie’s enemies acted like enemies are supposed to and stopped him”

Bernie used the same strategy that lost him 2016 in 2020 so he’s a moron for that 1. And that dweeb had awful rhetoric.

I think you lost the thread of the conversation.

So far the only argument in favor of centrism (which just got repeated again in comment #169) is "Centrists are more persuasive than progressives". And the only evidence that has been claimed for that is that the centrists have won recent primaries.

I pointed out that no objective person would say that Biden is a more persuasive politician than Bernie, or that he beat Bernie in the primaries because voters at large prefer his policies. Biden won because the Democratic establishment picked him to win, the media lined up behind him, and voters were told that he was electable (despite Bernie doing better against Trump in actual polling and doing better with turnout among new group Dems actually need).

If the entire argument for centrism is, "We're doing it because the Democratic party and media told us to, and we're scared that a progressive who pushes the policies we actually need wouldn't be electable", then at least make that argument. Don't push this disingenuous bullshyt that Biden was more persuasive in the primary when he can't persuade the public of jack shyt for the life of him and doesn't seem to have a single foundational value that any average person even trusts him to stand behind.

 

[Mowgli]

Centrism isnt a political ideology really. It's a label used to define people who pick and choose from either wing ideas that they approve of. Theres nothing inherently wrong with that but I dont think it's good strategy to appeal to them or run candidates like them. They tend to float with the wind and even if they are reliable voters, they may not be reliable in who they vote for.

They're not reliable and are sometimes just to cowardly to admit they are really one or the other but no more disengenuous then a I love America conservative who outsources jobs or a we are the world liberal that votes for racist justice policies.

 

[Mook]

I think you lost the thread of the conversation.

So far the only argument in favor of centrism (which just got repeated again in comment #169) is "Centrists are more persuasive than progressives". And the only evidence that has been claimed for that is that the centrists have won recent primaries.

I pointed out that no objective person would say that Biden is a more persuasive politician than Bernie, or that he beat Bernie in the primaries because voters at large prefer his policies. Biden won because the Democratic establishment picked him to win, the media lined up behind him, and voters were told that he was electable (despite Bernie doing better against Trump in actual polling and doing better with turnout among new group Dems actually need).

If the entire argument for centrism is, "We're doing it because the Democratic party and media told us to, and we're scared that a progressive who pushes the policies we actually need wouldn't be electable", then at least make that argument. Don't push this disingenuous bullshyt that Biden was more persuasive in the primary when he can't persuade the public of jack shyt for the life of him and doesn't seem to have a single foundational value that any average person even trusts him to stand behind.

Not gonna lie there was a lot in this thread. In the middle of it I had to put cac mamba on ignore.

I do agree with what you posted.

 

[Pressure]

This you?^^^^


I can’t wrap my head around if your being a naive or you’re just a c*nt. Can you not understand what gets sacrificed 99% due to government inaction or are you just that dumb???

FWIW you still haven’t explained your beliefs because as I’ve accurately pointed out time and time again you have none

I know you think you come across as sensible, but this is just shyt posting at its finest.

I want a public option, universal prek, permanent enhanced child tax credit, increased taxes on the wealthy, additional public school funding, free public college, more resources for home individual home buyers among other things.

Id take all of these things if it meant passing up on the GND and that’s not sacrificing people.



As always

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

I know you think you come across as sensible, but this is just shyt posting at its finest.

I want a public option, universal prek, permanent enhanced child tax credit, increased taxes on the wealthy, additional public school funding, free public college, more resources for home individual home buyers among other things.

Id take all of these things if it meant passing up on the GND and that’s not sacrificing people.



As always

Can you not understand what gets sacrificed 99% of the time due to government inaction or are you just that dumb???