CNN: Nancy Pelosi has told Joe Biden he cannot win and will cost the Democrats on down ballot elections

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It's not soo much about that...yes this year's election is important however, in regards to the Democratic Party's agenda, 2028 was and is supposed the year of the new regime meaning “out with the old and in with the new”.

2028 is the year where newer, younger, and fresher Dems lead the party into a new stage/agenda and 2024 was going to be the last of the old regime with Biden leading the swan song setting the stage up for the new era. That's why a lot of the older Dems have slowly started to defer to the younger ones.

Kamala, Gavin, Gretchen, etc are all a part of the new regime. That's why Gavin has made it clear he's not interested right now, and Gretchen has been pretty quiet possibly hinting that she's not interested either. That's why if Biden steps down Kamala would be next in line but I don't she wants it either, not because she isn't confident in herself but because she like the others is waiting for 2028 so they each can better position themselves and approve upon their agendas and potential campaigns to have a better chance.

Right now isn't the best for them, especially with the short amount of time left we're almost in August...which is why the major Dem candidates that could take over if Biden steps down aren't supportive of the idea of Joe stepping down.
isnt this strategy and message diametrically opposed to what we are being told?

we, the voters, have been told for almost 2 years that there won't be elections in 2028 if trump wins

why are we talking about new and younger candidates in 2028, if trump could win now and end those prospects

it's this mixed messaging, hypocrisy, and lack of transparency that people dislike about establishment politicians and especially establishment democrats.

bernie was very clear about what his platform is and how he'd get it done. we didnt care if he was 1000 years old, it made sense. this wheel spinning democrats are doing now is dangerous and will only cement Trump's victory.

that is, unless they don't actually see him as a threat america won't survive and it's all just rhetoric.
 

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The Biden Boyz kneecapped her. They were afraid her ability to string together sentences would outshine the dotard Biden.

What Biden and advisors did is political malpractice. They knew damn well Biden was in decline and they hid it and refused to groom Kamala to take over. His supporters should be furious not running interference for him.
Be that as it may, Kamala never had a shot and I think too many of y'all are in denial about this
 

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The Biden Boyz kneecapped her. They were afraid her ability to string together sentences would outshine the dotard Biden.

What Biden and advisors did is political malpractice. They knew damn well Biden was in decline and they hid it and refused to groom Kamala to take over. His supporters should be furious not running interference for him.
Whether she was incompetent or all of that was nonsense leaked by Biden's people it seems undeniable that she was not given the same grace or respect that Obama gave Biden as VP. The VP is a powerless position via the constitution, the only power it can receive is directly from the president. And Obama made Biden one of the most powerful VPs in American history. I don't think a president is required to automatically do that for a VP and I get why Biden would view himself as not needing a strong VP in the way that Obama felt he needed one but still. It sounds like they didn't meet much and she wasn't given much to do. And whenever Biden started struggling in polls, his team started sniping her. And surprisingly her team never really fought back. Which tells me she's loyal and smart: she knew this day was coming.

Biden seems more than capable to sit in the WH listening to reports, calling world leaders, and making decisions from 11AM to whenever he's too tired and goes to bed. The journalist reports I've seen say he's alert and knows his stuff, and we got a glimpse of that during the NATO press conference. Let him focus on that while Kamala campaigns as the nominee.
 

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we can't afford weak minds who parrot white supremacist talking points.

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I get the idea of calling that a white supremacist talking point....

but biden and his team literally said that the VP *must* be a woman and *must* be a minority - Kamala wasn't even the best choice then either. Like if someone says that she's a DEI hire, there's no objective counter-point. This isn't a Baltimore mayor thing or college admin redirection. Biden's campaign was even open about being a one-term at one point, and then Kamala of all people gets VP out of nowhere? Hubris led the DNC to believe they could force her through. For what.

And now one of the worst case scenarios is up, and its increasingly absurd to defend due to the stakes being what they were.

There's no way to defend Kamala getting the VP nod in earnest. Like, I can try calling people that are done with her white supremacists - but the first left-aligned people who decided they wanted zero parts of her were democrats.
 

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it's not happening. you might as well prepare for a Republican president.

Y'all really think they gonna put an Indian woman at that in as the first female president.

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They lose with Biden too. His already terrible condition will only worsen. There are enough people who are not partisans who will refuse to vote for a dementia addled man who can’t even climb inside an SUV by his own and struggles to walk up a flight of stairs.

The leadership of the party know the risk involved and yet are urging him to drop out. This has gone on far enough. It’s time to put a stop to it.
 

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They don’t have a choice at this point. He’s dragging down the entire party because objective people realize this man has some sort of dementia related illness.

It’s important to remember that a President is not just the head of government, he is head of state. He is a reflection of the nation and people don’t want a walking dead president representing them. It’s as simple as that and the donors and leaders of the party have come to that conclusion.

I’ll be attacked by his supporters, but his supporters should direct their ire towards Biden and his advisors who hid his condition from the country and his voters.

It’s a betrayal of the highest order that needs to be called out repeatedly.
What's funny about this entire situation is that it's a perfect reflection of the damage boomers have done to this country

Biden is dragging everyone down with him, no fukks given, and he won't even be around to deal with the consequences of his stubbornness:mjlol:

You can apply this to a lot of institutions currently fukking over millennials and younger, crippling the youth at the knees and in turn stifling the future
 
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They lose with Biden too. His already terrible condition will only worsen. There are enough people who are not partisans who will refuse to vote for a dementia addled man who can’t even climb inside an SUV by his own and struggles to walk up a flight of stairs.

The leadership of the party know the risk involved and yet are urging him to drop out. This has gone on far enough. It’s time to put a stop to it.
if you want to stop it replace both candidates.

she's not subbing in.
 

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The Biden admin basically gave Kamala busy work for the last 4 years. She didn’t build her profile at all as VP
Part of the reason Biden won’t step down is because they know Kamala has no chance to win. If she was a legit option the transition process would have BEEN started before it even got to this point. The Dems really been fukking up bad. First the Hillary debacle, then doubling down on an entrenched moderate. At least he won but then they fukked up by picking a pander VP, all to lock up a constituency that already votes dem at a 90%+ clip :dead:
 

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I get the idea of calling that a white supremacist talking point....

but biden and his team literally said that the VP *must* be a woman and *must* be a minority - Kamala wasn't even the best choice then either. Like if someone says that she's a DEI hire, there's no objective counter-point. This isn't a Baltimore mayor thing or college admin redirection. Biden's campaign was even open about being a one-term at one point, and then Kamala of all people gets VP out of nowhere? Hubris led the DNC to believe they could force her through. For what.

And now one of the worst case scenarios is up, and its increasingly absurd to defend due to the stakes being what they were.

There's no way to defend Kamala getting the VP nod in earnest. Like, I can try calling people that are done with her white supremacists - but the first left-aligned people who decided they wanted zero parts of her were democrats.

she was objectively better than all the other presidential candidates he could have tapped to be a running mate.
 

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The Biden admin basically gave Kamala busy work for the last 4 years. She didn’t build her profile at all as VP
Part of the reason Biden won’t step down is because they know Kamala has no chance to win. If she was a legit option the transition process would have BEEN started before it even got to this point. The Dems really been fukking up bad. First the Hillary debacle, then doubling down on an entrenched moderate. At least he won but then they fukked up by picking a pander VP, all to lock up a constituency that already votes dem at a 90%+ clip :dead:

The fact that his team knew about his decline and refused to make any preparations is :wow:

Many books will be written about what was going on in the White House as they attempted to pull a Weekend at Bernie’s on the country.
 

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They don’t have a choice at this point. He’s dragging down the entire party because objective people realize this man has some sort of dementia related illness.

It’s important to remember that a President is not just the head of government, he is head of state. He is a reflection of the nation and people don’t want a walking dead president representing them. It’s as simple as that and the donors and leaders of the party have come to that conclusion.

I’ll be attacked by his supporters, but his supporters should direct their ire towards Biden and his advisors who hid his condition from the country and his voters.

It’s a betrayal of the highest order that needs to be called out repeatedly.
What the Democrats are doing right now doesn't make any since, because when you look at trends like at 538; Biden's chances of winning are actually improving and he is at 53% right now to Trump's 47%. Trump has a ceiling and the Democrats know it. So them trying to force Biden out publicly so late in the game is just dumb. This is self inflicted chaos at this point.


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