CM Punk shoots on part timers says he wants the same deal

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I don't understand how "fans" are co-signing Dwayne and Lesnar being part-timers. Unless you're heavily invested in the WWE stock, who gives a flying fukk about PPV buy rates. Dwayne and Lesnar are going into WM with arguably the two worst feuds on the card. I'm more excited to see Fandangawd/Jeristooge than either of those two matches. Dwayne is absolutely terrible in the ring now. Before, cardio use to be his strength and that's how he got by but no one can even co-sign his conditioning now. Those two matches with Punk had him looking :flabbynsick: within the first five minutes. I'm afraid Lesnar might end up looking :flabbynsick: at 'Mania too, but he's probably still on the MMA workout plan giving us some hope.
 

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I don't understand how "fans" are co-signing Dwayne and Lesnar being part-timers. Unless you're heavily invested in the WWE stock, who gives a flying fukk about PPV buy rates. Dwayne and Lesnar are going into WM with arguably the two worst feuds on the card. I'm more excited to see Fandangawd/Jeristooge than either of those two matches. Dwayne is absolutely terrible in the ring now. Before, cardio use to be his strength and that's how he got by but no one can even co-sign his conditioning now. Those two matches with Punk had him looking :flabbynsick: within the first five minutes. I'm afraid Lesnar might end up looking :flabbynsick: at 'Mania too, but he's probably still on the MMA workout plan giving us some hope.

The exaggeration in this post is as bad as R=G's bizarre rants, but I agree with your main points.

I don't get this feeling that says:

The guy who puts in work all year, in the ring, on the microphone, as a character... and actually has worked and proven his value as a performer has NO RIGHT to state his view on others who show up when they feel like it, and don't even put their all into it when they ARE around. I could see if it was some dude who has no shot of ever maineventing shyt running off at his mouth... but why exactly should someone the company apparently values enough to give their championship for a year "keep their mouth shut"? :wtf:

And again, it's not a KNOCK on Rock, HHH, Taker, or even Lesnar (even tho' he's probably the least dedicated of the bunch)... they do deserve the spots they're given. If they're gonna be there for WrestleMania, I wouldn't expect them to be put in some random match on the card. At the same time, I can see how it would feel for the people who've been trusted enough to main event at any time BESIDES WrestleMania to put in work knowing it's not gonna pay off. shyt, even when Lesnar was the top guy, he didn't get bumped out the way for Hogan, Austin, and Rock when they came back in time for Mania XIX.

So I see both sides of the argument... I just don't see how an alleged wrestling fan could only see one side because "BUT the RATINGZ!" Who gives a shyt...
 

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The exaggeration in this post is as bad as R=G's bizarre rants, but I agree with your main points.

I don't get this feeling that says:

The guy who puts in work all year, in the ring, on the microphone, as a character... and actually has worked and proven his value as a performer has NO RIGHT to state his view on others who show up when they feel like it, and don't even put their all into it when they ARE around. I could see if it was some dude who has no shot of ever maineventing shyt running off at his mouth... but why exactly should someone the company apparently values enough to give their championship for a year "keep their mouth shut"? :wtf:

And again, it's not a KNOCK on Rock, HHH, Taker, or even Lesnar (even tho' he's probably the least dedicated of the bunch)... they do deserve the spots they're given. If they're gonna be there for WrestleMania, I wouldn't expect them to be put in some random match on the card. At the same time, I can see how it would feel for the people who've been trusted enough to main event at any time BESIDES WrestleMania to put in work knowing it's not gonna pay off. shyt, even when Lesnar was the top guy, he didn't get bumped out the way for Hogan, Austin, and Rock when they came back in time for Mania XIX.

So I see both sides of the argument... I just don't see how an alleged wrestling fan could only see one side because "BUT the RATINGZ!" Who gives a shyt...

The underlined is something I said earlier in this thread. I don't mind them coming back, what bothers me is them being given the spotlight when they clearly don't need it. If people are going to order the ppv to watch them, fine. Put them anywhere on the card, right? If the WWE wants to establish a new generation of stars, the older generation needs to help with that if they're going to show up. Instead we're getting Triple H/Lesnar and Cena/Dwayne in the main event.

Are we going to see CM Punk coming up to steal the spotlight when Richie Steamboat is on the verge of main eventing WM? If so, I'll be making the same rant 5 years from now :beli:
 

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I don't understand how "fans" are co-signing Dwayne and Lesnar being part-timers. Unless you're heavily invested in the WWE stock, who gives a flying fukk about PPV buy rates. Dwayne and Lesnar are going into WM with arguably the two worst feuds on the card. I'm more excited to see Fandangawd/Jeristooge than either of those two matches. Dwayne is absolutely terrible in the ring now. Before, cardio use to be his strength and that's how he got by but no one can even co-sign his conditioning now. Those two matches with Punk had him looking :flabbynsick: within the first five minutes. I'm afraid Lesnar might end up looking :flabbynsick: at 'Mania too, but he's probably still on the MMA workout plan giving us some hope.

are you retarded? we are co signing dwayne/brock because we are their fans.

we are bringing up ppv buyrates to explain to you idiots why they headline and punk does not.
 

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are you retarded? we are co signing dwayne/brock because we are their fans.

we are bringing up ppv buyrates to explain to you idiots why they headline and punk does not.

You're happy to not see your favorite wrestlers leading up to Wrestlemania going into arguably the worst feuds on the card? There's nothing good about the part-timers and the only explanations you're giving are ratings and buy rates. Clearly you're a fan, but even you have to acknowledge how bad both of these feuds are.
 

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I'm afraid Lesnar might end up looking :flabbynsick: at 'Mania too, but he's probably still on the MMA workout plan giving us some hope.

Nah he looked good in both the Cena/Triple Matches. Meanwhile the Rock almost passed out giving Cena the Rock Bottom on Raw. And I am not even saying that to be funny, watch the video back he was panting heavily.

Brock out here f5ing old age outlaws (who have gained at least 25pds each) with ease.
 

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honestly all the top tier guys should be part timers...

it would elevate the mid card and make it seem special when the top guys showed up..

oversaturation combined with wackness because of lack of ideas is what kills a movement...ask g-unit...

in wcw, hogan would barely ever wrestle..and if he did it was to close the show...every time. that helped elevate hogan and the nwo..and elevated the midcard guys like jericho/benoit/malenko/juvy/booker while he was there etc because they had time to showcase their talent and develop storylines..while now in the E..they have to reserve basically a half hour at least to Cena every night regardless...and its resulted in most people being sick of his garbage..


note- cena is bad anyway...but seeing him doing the same shyt all the time makes it worse...unless its supposed to be that way :scheme:


Wait a minute hold up.......
The nwo was stagnant and as stale as early hogun is champ era wwf on the decline.
When hogun was able to goblin it up and just show up for a ME here and there, every few months inring.

Also,...no one in wcw or the wwf was ever elevated and made an importance.
So, your whole posting is actually off.
People like to quote numbers, but real talk.
If hogun actually did more from his wwf days to the nwo days.
He would not have been a non-draw and quickly ushered out the ring in his last real stint in the wwe. before he jobbed to the rock, for his last real playing card with Vince.
Plus, people would have bought into hogun being put over by joker sting as well.
Part timers using the goblin way of business to draw over the full timers is always a no-no.
Especially, when during all the time the part-timers are gone.
No actual continuity of high quality is available to the full timers.
Which kills the interest of the draw.
Plus leaves the crowd at home with a wtf acronym visibly seen floating over their head followed by the light bulb idea to turn that bullshyt off.
You can not give fans garbage fulltime.
Then when the part timers come along,...
Shift it into another gear for guys who really only appear seldomly on the goblin playbook schedule.
The goblin playbook schedule never works.
That is the reason why hogun had to flee to wcw, from the wwf.
Plus, face hogun failed.
On top of nwo hogun being a failed reoccurring draw after the flawed politicized tampered payoff loss to sting.

You have to give a high quality content importance built feel to every member of the card all the time.
So, when the part timers do come around.
The fanbase is like,...
Hell yeah,....i got a bunch of fulltime piff to watch.
Now, the part timers show up to add to more piff.
The whole part timers goblin save the day me-me-me schedule booking.
Is what kills the wwf as a draw,now.
Which is all spawned by people using and playing by clique rules.
Which have been proven to damage entire companies and an industry as well.



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You're happy to not see your favorite wrestlers leading up to Wrestlemania going into arguably the worst feuds on the card? There's nothing good about the part-timers and the only explanations you're giving are ratings and buy rates. Clearly you're a fan, but even you have to acknowledge how bad both of these feuds are.

Thats just booking. Taker vs Punk isnt special...Punk got no sold big during smark heavy Philly. They used Bearer as a reason for the feud? Silliness. People wanted to hate the Rock and Cena feud but the polls on all the websites are praising the last two ring segments.
 

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Wait a minute hold up.......
The nwo was stagnant and as stale as early hogun is champ era wwf on the decline.
When hogun was able to goblin it up and just show up for a ME here and there, every few months inring.

Also,...no one in wcw or the wwf was ever elevated and made an importance.
So, your whole posting is actually off.
People like to quote numbers, but real talk.
If hogun actually did more from his wwf days to the nwo days.
He would not have been a non-draw and quickly ushered out the ring in his last real stint in the wwe. before he jobbed to the rock, for his last real playing card with Vince.
Plus, people would have bought into hogun being put over by joker sting as well.
Part timers using the goblin way of business to draw over the full timers is always a no-no.
Especially, when during all the time the part-timers are gone.
No actual continuity of high quality is available to the full timers.
Which kills the interest of the draw.
Plus leaves the crowd at home with a wtf acronym visibly seen floating over their head followed by the light bulb idea to turn that bullshyt off.
You can not give fans garbage fulltime.
Then when the part timers come along,...
Shift it into another gear for guys who really only appear seldomly on the goblin playbook schedule.
The goblin playbook schedule never works.
That is the reason why hogun had to flee to wcw, from the wwf.
Plus, face hogun failed.
On top of nwo hogun being a failed reoccurring draw after the flawed politicized tampered payoff loss to sting.

You have to give a high quality content importance built feel to every member of the card all the time.
So, when the part timers do come around.
The fanbase is like,...
Hell yeah,....i got a bunch of fulltime piff to watch.
Now, the part timers show up to add to more piff.
The whole part timers goblin save the day me-me-me schedule booking.
Is what kills the wwf as a draw,now.
Which is all spawned by people using and playing by clique rules.
Which have been proven to damage entire companies and an industry as well.



Art Barr


youre not completely off base here...but i always considered it more of a creative problem there in wcw than a scheduling/timing problem because the lesser guys usually did get a fairly substantial amount of time to do something.

sure they werent elevated because the nwo never put them over outside of mysterio..but they at least were able to somewhat put themselves over..

the bolded gives more credence to part timers...its unfortunate and not ideal but creative sucks man so what we gonna do about it :yeshrug:

ive like brocks storyline and now this taker storyline better than most full time stories...

obviously full time piff, again, ideally, is better for the product...but creative has proven to be so shytty that part timers would be better for the business. :yeshrug:
 

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youre not completely off base here...but i always considered it more of a creative problem there in wcw than a scheduling/timing problem because the lesser guys usually did get a fairly substantial amount of time to do something.

sure they werent elevated because the nwo never put them over outside of mysterio..but they at least were able to somewhat put themselves over..

the bolded gives more credence to part timers...its unfortunate and not ideal but creative sucks man so what we gonna do about it :yeshrug:

ive like brocks storyline and now this taker storyline better than most full time stories...

obviously full time piff, again, ideally, is better for the product...but creative has proven to be so shytty that part timers would be better for the business. :yeshrug:



In all actuality, the reason the full-timers are given low quality work full time is.
So cripple ache does not get lost in the shuffle and regulated to a non-caring fan interest parody role like slaughter, though.
As real talk,...
If not for the over politicized marketing and higher placement in the card because of his position family wise as a McMahon.
Nobody would really care if cripple ache came out like that.
That is why he is always across the ring from a draw that is infinitely larger than him.
On top of a way higher quality inring worker from workrate to promo.
Then, it is marketed to make him appear formidable.
When, the opposition he is opposite of needs no real introduction.
It was even like that during the attitude era as well.
Which is why when cripple ache got the chance to run the raw brand.
The interest totally dipped into the dismal numbers we have now.

The part-timers getting more shine is all his mechanical way of not getting overshadowed and lost in the shuffle.
Of a possible newer indie drawing star capitalizing on a higher quality run of skill and harder work.
Plus, a way to point to a spreadsheet to authenticate his fake relvence.
Incomparison, to the larger real self made legends of wrasslin.
It is no real mystery,....
It is just an amalgamted playbook of the goblin rules and 95wwf clique semantics and politics.
With full control all disguised to make cripple ache.
Look like a bigger draw on paper than he actually really is.
Which pits ache across ring against better higher quality workers in history.
So, he can create a false legacy using his stature in the company and family.
To appear as a higher company assets should something go awry, in the future.
Plus, to cement a company legacy regardless of the outcome inring or as a member of the McMahon family.
Anyone who knows administrative and political gamesmanship can easily see.
cripple ache positioning himself for the future and his revisionist legacy.
To appear larger and of higher quality than what he really is.
I just like the fact that the rock, Mick, taker, and Brock.
Have used this, to get larger dollars in a shorter schedule time frame.
By using cripple ache's own agenda against him for a larger payday.
Plus, to put in proper perspective they are higher talents than him as well.
When properly surveyed in history.
Past that aspect, though.
I do not appreciate the self grandiose brown nosing of cripple ache.
To cripple the sentiment and product of the wwe.
On a lower quality self pat on the back manner similar to vkm.
During the higher power and later on in the low quality inclusion of the entire McMahon family.
The shyt is damn near like the awful pre-cursor to the bullshyt low quality no talent marketing.
to create a fictional draw of nicki/paris Hilton to kourtney kardashian to capitalize on a porno with ray j.
The shyt is more of the awful aspects of the traveling low quality carni drawing rubrick.
That needs, checks and balances of high quality in place.
To prevent the destruction and decline of a draw.
Of which, cripple ache single-handidly ushered in.
That he tries in vein to distance and hide the facts in the spreadsheet from public perception and the general public.
From knowing about and recognizing.
Which is why the movesets are neutered and the lower quality smash mouth style has been implemented in the fed.
So, he does not get left behind inring.
Similar to the threat he felt.
When Jericho came into the wwf.
That he created a political coup to neutered Jericho's moveset.
All the way down to his punches.
which soon became a full blown company mantra, after the discoveryzone period.
To see if he had political power that could make his agenda successful.
After that ache used the applied knowledge of the Jericho blackballing.
To institute across the entire company, after he was successful in burying Jericho.
Who real talk, was and still is a higher talent and draw than cripple ache.
It is just the corporate coup to sabotage jericho.
Using goblin-based clique rules and company power has regulated Jericho.
To being a shade of what Jericho could really be to the wrasslin world and as a draw.
After it was proven ache could operate goblin clique rules, administratively.
All the way down to the corporate structure as policy.
He just continues to use his agenda.
As a veil that drives the entire company's direction.
the shyt is clear and plain as day.
Especially when you realize,..
This company has damaged their largest drawing promotion wrasslemania.
from sentiment and draw in every possible aspect.
Just to hide his errant damaging draw, and agenda.
Evidenced by them destroying the very reason and fan sentiment draw of what mania is and was about in the first place.
With the awful finish to mania2ooo.
Which was the exact reason.
Why wwf lost its mainstream booming draw over time to the point where we are, now.


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youre not completely off base here...but i always considered it more of a creative problem there in wcw than a scheduling/timing problem because the lesser guys usually did get a fairly substantial amount of time to do something.

sure they werent elevated because the nwo never put them over outside of mysterio..but they at least were able to somewhat put themselves over..

the bolded gives more credence to part timers...its unfortunate and not ideal but creative sucks man so what we gonna do about it :yeshrug:

ive like brocks storyline and now this taker storyline better than most full time stories...

obviously full time piff, again, ideally, is better for the product...but creative has proven to be so shytty that part timers would be better for the business. :yeshrug:


:lawd:

god bless you for even reading Art Barr's :flabbynsick: rants
 
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