Bleed The Freak
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Mitch Richmond would like a word
Clyde Drexler's career and resume is looking pretty good compared to these guards who will retire ringless journeymen
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Mitch Richmond would like a word
murksiderock
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This Wade shyt is insane. Cats bring up the 00s East being weak in conversations about LeBron and recently Kidd, but no one brings up how this nikka Wade spent his whole career, in supposedly the "weak East", and did absolutely NOTHING of note without two GOAT10 players next to him...
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
We all remember game 6 but Ray was a part of a lot of big games & he’s got some stinkers too.
Game 1 of the 2008 semis:
0 points & 1 assist to 4 turnovers in 37 minutes. Boston won by 4 and it was tied with 25 seconds left.
Game 5 of the 2008 finals up 3-1:
16 points on 4-13 shooting with 2 turnovers to 2 assists & fouled out. Boston was -15 with him on the floor in a 6 point loss.
Game 6 2009 semis up 3-2:
5 points on 2-11 shooting, 1 assist, 4 turnovers, 5 fouls. Orlando beats Boston 83-75 & wins game 7 in a blowout.
Game 7 2010 nba finals:
13 points on 3-14 shooting. 2 assists to 4 turnovers 3 fouls in a 79-83 loss.
Game 2 of the 2011 semis down 0-1:
7 points on 2-7 shooting with 2 assists & 5 fouls in an 11 point loss.
Game 1 of the 2013 conference finals:
4 points on 1-8 shooting in a game decided at the buzzer in overtime in a series that went 7.
Game 7 of the 2013 finals:
0 points & 3 turnovers in a game that was 90-88 with 30 seconds left.
I’d still take him over Harden though
fifth column
Superstar
Here we go again with your endless game of coulda woulda shoulda, for once can you just work with what actually happened and not just make up circumstances. Harden is just a great floor riser and nothing else.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
The east got good after 03-04 and the supporting cast he had early was an old one that got
real fast after the 2006 finals like everyone knew it would on top of him being hurt in 2006-07 and 2007-08 
. The 2008-09 supporting cast had no business being anywhere near the playoffs and the 2009-10 squad was awful too. He was getting 33 & 7 a night on 56% shooting against Boston and it was barely enough to avoid a sweep. To put in perspective what he did that series, LeBron averaged 27 & 7 a night on 45% shooting against Boston in the semis & Kobe averaged 28 a night with 3.9 assists on 40% shooting against them in the finals.
murksiderock
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I'm going with what actually happened:
Harden spent most his career in the tougher bracket and led his team to two WCFs and over 50 wins per year...
Wade spent his whole career on thw weaker side and without Bron or Shaq was missing playoffs and staying hurt and going out in Rd1...
Why were Iverson, Kidd, LeBron able to elevate garbage rosters in that same East but Wade wasn't able to?The east got good after 03-04 and the supporting cast he had early was an old one that got
Harden is still an all star level player, Ray was a role player at this juncture of his career. And Young Ray didn’t exactly have this stellar playoff resume. Many would argue he and the Bucks underachieved - particularly in 01 when they lost to Iverson. It’s easier being clutch when it matters when you’re the third of 4th option. If Harden’s big 3s didn’t get dismantled in Brooklyn and OKC, I don’t even think we’re having this discussion at all. Ray got to play on the Celtics and Heat. Harden played on OKC as a college kid and then got traded and built Houston up and then had Kai X blow up the Nets.
I’m not even a harder apologist but his record as a main guy is better then Ray’s. Ray was out there bricking in big moments throughout that 08 playoff run and that’s part of why the Celtics had extended series with teams nowhere near their caliber. He decided to go god mode against the Lakers in game 6.
Shaq wasn't a top 10 player when he was with wade, antoine walker was putting up more points than shaq during their finals trip.
Ya'll keep acting he was Laker's Shaq, dude was closer to phoenix Shaq
murksiderock
Superstar
I'm not saying he was LA Shaq...Shaq wasn't a top 10 player when he was with wade, antoine walker was putting up more points than shaq during their finals trip.
Ya'll keep acting he was Laker's Shaq, dude was closer to phoenix Shaq
Finish runner-up in MVP but not be Top 10, brehs
Wade got Shaq at the end of his prime. Shaq wasn't "out" of his prime when he went to Miami...
Shaq was putting up single digit scoring nights against dallas,I'm not saying he was LA Shaq...
Finish runner-up in MVP but not be Top 10, brehs
he was not an MVP caliber player.Wade carried tf out of that team, he didn't have a stacked roster. he had a bunch of over the hill vets. Shaq, Mourning, Jason William's, Gary Payton.
Swap Malone with Mourning and its literally the same team Kobe failed to win a ring with and the laker org opted blow up the following season in order to go younger
FYI, that same detroit team that sent Kobe home in the finals. Wade beat in the conference Finals, with literally the same supporting cast as kobe.
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Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
Because there were no good teams in the east in the early 2000’s. In 2005 Miami goes to the finals if Wade doesn’t get hurt. Shaq missed the semis & he still got Miami past that round. Then he was hurt back to back years in 2007 & 2008. In 2009 they went 7 games. Not really sure how much you expect from a team with a rookie head coach whose second best player is probably rookie Michael Beasley. I already mentioned 2010 and I don’t think it’s clicking how bad his teammates played. Nobody else averaged even 11 per game that series & only 2 even got 10+. Their starting center shot 20% from the field.
Game 1: Dorrell Wright & Jermaine O’Neal go a combined 4-21 in a 9 point loss.
Game 2: the rest of the team shoots 18-58 while committing 12 of the 13 team turnovers & 23 fouls.
Game 3: the supporting cast largely plays well but O’Neal goes 1-7 and Pierce knocks down a well contested shot at the buzzer.
Game 4: Quentin Richardson is pretty good but Wade scores 46 & dishes 5 on a night Miami has 101 points.
Game 5: Mario Chalmers is the only player besides Wade to score even 9 points. The rest of the team besides those 2 had 35 points on 15-42 shooting.
Realistically speaking what more was he supposed to do that series?
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Harden is better than Drexler, Allen and Iverson.You say that like its for real
Jordan
Kobe
Wade
West - iverson
Ray Allen - clyde drexler
So you’re saying he’s “widely regarded” as being better than jerry west and allen iverson? Points and fouls aint everything breh. I dont have him above anyone there
Iverson led a team to the Finals and took a game off of a Lakers team that was undefeated in the postseason and led by Shaq & Kobe with Eric Snow and Aaron McKie in his starting lineup. Harden has not, never will, and never would, do anything remotely comparable.
I'm not drafting him over Ray, either. Prime Ray was the best shooter of his generation, a better defender, more athletic, & hit one of the biggest shots in Finals history. Most importantly, I'd never have to fill out a missing person's case to find him in the postseason.
I'm not drafting him over Ray, either. Prime Ray was the best shooter of his generation, a better defender, more athletic, & hit one of the biggest shots in Finals history. Most importantly, I'd never have to fill out a missing person's case to find him in the postseason.
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mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Regardless of everything he has some of the most funkyest lay-ups ever
