Christopher Nolan's 'Dunkirk'

[#StarkSet]

Because in war, people snap that QUICK. He may of been trying to hold it together because he was in charge that night when the destroyer got struck, but between how many some odd days they was stuck on that beach and as I said, you SEE someone just gave up waiting and hit that English Channel like all hope was lost. It make A LOT of sense. PSTD is unpredictable in general. A person can be cooler than a fan and in a split second for the littlest reason they'll snap. These soldiers were stranded for almost a week...with the ongoing threat that they could die ANY MINUTE. It makes sense for even the strongest willed individual ending up snapping when there's no sight of hope.

I buy the snapping. I mean I just don't know why he wouldn't leave a clue as to how he ended up on that propeller.

I still LOVE the movie, but that little bit seems like either a missed opportunity or a lame 'gotcha' gimmick.

I just assume he got on another destroyer and it was sunk



Remember when the army captain asked the admiral where are all the destroyers with that horrified look on his face

 

[TheGodling]

I see a whole lot of Reed Richards level reaching to give Nolan more props than he deserves again.

 

[gluvnast]

I just assume he got on another destroyer and it was sunk



Remember when the army captain asked the admiral where are all the destroyers with that horrified look on his face

Just to clarify, that was an army colonel. But when the colonel asked the admiral about why there isn't more destroyers and the admiral stated they're only doing just one destroyer at a time was due to the disaster from the night before that Cillian Murphy, Tommy, Alex, and "Gibson" was on. So they had actually wait for however long before another destroyer to come. In the meanwhile the civilian volunteers were deployed with their privately own boats to assist in the evacuation to which the army colonel scoffed at. This was all due to what happened that night before with the U-boat attacking from outta no where.

Because of that, there wasn't ANY destroyer for Cillian Murphy to hop back on at that immediate moment.

 

[KillbertArenas]

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Also, it was INDEED Ferrier (Tom Hardy) and accidentally shot down the boat that Tommy, Alex and "Gibson" and the rest were hiding in while trying take down that German fighter jet. Crazy for Nolan to show one perspective by the soldiers in the boat and the reality of what really happened.

I thought you were right until I got home and was reflecting back on the movie...i began piecing the perspectives together in my mind..

 

[KillbertArenas]

What's going to be the twist?

Was there one?

 

[gluvnast]

Was there one?

Not really, just little reveals and misdirection due to multiple timelines intertwining.

 

[KillbertArenas]

Not really, just little reveals and misdirection due to multiple timelines intertwining.

 

[KillbertArenas]

get wayyy the fukk outta here with this

Right interstellar was amazing

 

[KillbertArenas]

I saw it too, pretty much agree with everything you said. Definitely not a mainstream film as it doesn't really have any superstars. It was pretty damn intense.

What did you think of

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The way the story is told, with 3 perspectives that take place within a week, a day, and an hour? To me it was dope as hell, but I heard murmurs in my theatre where people were confused as hell, lol

The film is told from three points of view. The air (planes), the land (on the beach), and the sea (the evacuation by the navy). For the soldiers embarked in the conflict, the events took place on different temporalities. On land, some stayed one week stuck on the beach. On the water, the events lasted a maximum day; and if you were flying to Dunkirk, the British spitfires would carry an hour of fuel. To mingle these different versions of history, one had to mix the temporal strata. Hence the complicated structure; Even if the story, once again, is very simple.”

 

[KillbertArenas]

Just watched it the 2nd time. I knew the stories were intertwined but I didn't know it was connected than originally thought. For instance

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it turns out it was Tom Hardy that incidentally shot down the small boat that those young soldiers were hiding in.

Nah I think the Dutch guy was getting chased by Germans and he led them to the area of the boat..The Germans weren't sure where he went so they were shooting aimlessly at the boat..

The first shots came when they were on shore right after the Dutch guy showed up..The tide came and washed the boat into the sea..By the time Tom Hardy crossed paths with them, he looked down and saw the boat had capsized in the ocean..

 

[KillbertArenas]

Also to answer about Cillian Murphy's character:

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I initially had the same question. It was indeed Murphy on the boat the night before. Nobody really knows what happened and I presumed you had to read between the lines. Because that next day at the mole, the Navy and Army captain were talking about the tides were changing and saying you could tell by the bodies floating back shore. So my presumption was that the U-boat attacked the vessel and Cillian Murphy's character was the lone survivor.

This is wrong..

As I mentioned above Air/Tom Hardy/One Hour crossed paths with Mole/Harry Styles/One Week while he flew over and saw them capsized and fleeing the escape boat that got shot up..

When Cillian's character was recused by the civilians, that was the point where the mole/One week meets with one day/sea..

It seems weird because Cillian crosses over from one week to one day early in the movie..And One Hour/One week crosses towards the end

Cillian advised Harry and his friend not to get on the boat because there was no room..Honestly throughout the movie Cillian came off as a psychotic person with little remorse..Who knows if he got paranoid and purposely sunk that boat he was on..So he was stranded in the middle of ocean and was found the next morning..Harry and the other kid made it back to shore..Which explains why Cillian crosses over before Harry..

I hope this makes sense..

 

[gluvnast]

This is wrong..

As I mentioned above Air/Tom Hardy/One Hour crossed paths with Mole/Harry Styles/One Week while he flew over and saw them capsized and fleeing the escape boat that got shot up..

When Cillian's character was recused by the civilians, that was the point where the mole/One week meets with one day/sea..

It seems weird because Cillian crosses over from one week to one day early in the movie..And One Hour/One week crosses towards the end

Cillian advised Harry and his friend not to get on the boat because there was no room..Honestly throughout the movie Cillian came off as a psychotic person with little remorse..Who knows if he got paranoid and purposely sunk that boat he was on..So he was stranded in the middle of ocean and was found the next morning..Harry and the other kid made it back to shore..Which explains why Cillian crosses over before Harry..

I hope this makes sense..

1. Cillian Murphy's character was ALREADY on the yacht by the time Farrier (Tom Hardy) shot down that 2nd fighter (and accidentally shot the boat up that Tommy, Alex and "Gibson" was in). In fact, Dawson and his son saw the 3 spitfires AFTER they picked up Cillian Murphy and Peter, his son, put him in the cabin. As you said, Farrier's story was only an hour long. Cillian Murphy was already ON the boat by the time Farrer's story even BEGAN.

2. I think you are losing track of time. The TRUTH of the matter is that the majority of everything that happened occurred during the DAY OF Dawson's story. What we know prior to this was:

a.) Tommy, Alex, and "Gibson" able to get on the destroyer on that supposed 1st day. That destroyer was sunk by the torpedo from the U-boat, they tried to get on the row boat that Cillian Murphy was on and was denied (except for "Gibson" who was already on the row boat, and "Gibson" tossed Tommy and Alex a rope to hold on as they return to the beach.

b.) That morning, day TWO, we clearly see the row boat making it back onto the beach. So Cillian Murphy's character was BACK at the back as well. We also, see the conversation between the Army Colonel and the Navy Admiral where the Colonel fussed about where the destroyers and the Admiral told him they won't be another one in quite some time, due to what happened that night prior and the British military is taking their priorities elsewhere leaving them with one destroyer to come at a time and they have to rely on the civilian volunteers and their privately owned boat to help them across. We ALSO SEE soldiers, desperately and UNSUCCESSFULLY trying to use their row boats to get back onto the English Channel but the tides were to rough for them to get on. Those two things strong implies that Cillian Murphy's character COULD NOT HAVE gotten on another ship or even another boat for that matter.

c.) Between a speculated days 2-5, we see Tommy, Alex and "Gibson" shytting there on the beach bored and hopeless not knowing what they're fate would be. We DO NOT KNOW how long this part was.... But considering the timeline of them following the soldiers that found the abandoned ship was on the same day as Dawson's story started, it is reasonably believed that Alex, Tommy, and "Gibson" was sitting there on that beach for several days. And it means that Cillian Murphy between those days SOMEHOW left the beach and the ONLY PERSON we actually saw leaving the beach was the man that walked right into the English Channel. And these are all FACTS that happened in the movie. There was no OTHER WAY Cillian Murphy would of made it back to the sunken destroyer unless he SWAM there. The question is when exactly, it could of been in between ANY of those days.... it could of been immediately afterward they returned to the beach, or that day before Dawson's yacht left. it was definitely between those days and he just sat that HOPING a ship would come for him. As I said before, ALL OF THEM were desperate to find ANY MEANS to get off that beach. Nobody was trying to wait for another destroyer that in their minds wasn't going to come. It is the same reason Tommy and them following those other soldiers outside the perimeter to that abandoned boat hoping they could float on out there.

 

[KillbertArenas]

1. Cillian Murphy's character was ALREADY on the yacht by the time Farrier (Tom Hardy) shot down that 2nd fighter (and accidentally shot the boat up that Tommy, Alex and "Gibson" was in). In fact, Dawson and his son saw the 3 spitfires AFTER they picked up Cillian Murphy and Peter, his son, put him in the cabin. As you said, Farrier's story was only an hour long. Cillian Murphy was already ON the boat by the time Farrer's story even BEGAN.

2. I think you are losing track of time. The TRUTH of the matter is that the majority of everything that happened occurred during the DAY OF Dawson's story. What we know prior to this was:

a.) Tommy, Alex, and "Gibson" able to get on the destroyer on that supposed 1st day. That destroyer was sunk by the torpedo from the U-boat, they tried to get on the row boat that Cillian Murphy was on and was denied (except for "Gibson" who was already on the row boat, and "Gibson" tossed Tommy and Alex a rope to hold on as they return to the beach.

b.) That morning, day TWO, we clearly see the row boat making it back onto the beach. So Cillian Murphy's character was BACK at the back as well. We also, see the conversation between the Army Colonel and the Navy Admiral where the Colonel fussed about where the destroyers and the Admiral told him they won't be another one in quite some time, due to what happened that night prior and the British military is taking their priorities elsewhere leaving them with one destroyer to come at a time and they have to rely on the civilian volunteers and their privately owned boat to help them across. We ALSO SEE soldiers, desperately and UNSUCCESSFULLY trying to use their row boats to get back onto the English Channel but the tides were to rough for them to get on. Those two things strong implies that Cillian Murphy's character COULD NOT HAVE gotten on another ship or even another boat for that matter.

c.) Between a speculated days 2-5, we see Tommy, Alex and "Gibson" shytting there on the beach bored and hopeless not knowing what they're fate would be. We DO NOT KNOW how long this part was.... But considering the timeline of them following the soldiers that found the abandoned ship was on the same day as Dawson's story started, it is reasonably believed that Alex, Tommy, and "Gibson" was sitting there on that beach for several days. And it means that Cillian Murphy between those days SOMEHOW left the beach and the ONLY PERSON we actually saw leaving the beach was the man that walked right into the English Channel. And these are all FACTS that happened in the movie. There was no OTHER WAY Cillian Murphy would of made it back to the sunken destroyer unless he SWAM there. The question is when exactly, it could of been in between ANY of those days.... it could of been immediately afterward they returned to the beach, or that day before Dawson's yacht left. it was definitely between those days and he just sat that HOPING a ship would come for him. As I said before, ALL OF THEM were desperate to find ANY MEANS to get off that beach. Nobody was trying to wait for another destroyer that in their minds wasn't going to come. It is the same reason Tommy and them following those other soldiers outside the perimeter to that abandoned boat hoping they could float on out there.

Nah bro...

..This movie has 3 perspectives with differing time frames just like Inception, in which they eventually sync with eachother...

There are reference points when each perspective syncs..

You are all over the place with your thoughts..

Im on my phone..I will pick apart your numbered points tomorow...

 

[gluvnast]

Nah bro...

..This movie has 3 perspectives with differing time frames just like Inception, in which they eventually sync with eachother...

There are reference points when each perspective syncs..

You are all over the place with your thoughts..

Im on my phone..I will pick apart your numbered points tomorow...

I didn't say it wasn't in sync. Not to mention.... I speaking IN ORDER of the timeline itself. Tommy, Alex, and "Gibson's" saga was 5 DAYS IN before Dawson's story even STARTED (which was the 6th day). And on that same 6th day, approximately between the hours of 3pm to 4pm, was Farrier's story. The 7th day was Tommy and Alex on the train the following day.

All I did was told you everything leading UP to when Dawson found Cillian Murphy's character. And I gave you in detail everything that happened which were ALL IN THE MOVIE. The U-boat got torpedoed, Murphy's character denied Tommy and Alex to get on the row boat, we SEE THAT SAME ROW BOAT MAKING IT BACK ON THE BEACH which means Cillian Murphy was back on that beach too, we know no more destroyers were coming per conversation between the colonel and the admiral, and we see a man walking into the English Channel as Tommy, Alex and "Gibson" watched. That ALL HAPPENED BEFORE we even gotten to Dawson's ship leaving the port to rescue.

 

[KillbertArenas]

I didn't say it wasn't in sync. Not to mention.... I speaking IN ORDER of the timeline itself. Tommy, Alex, and "Gibson's" saga was 5 DAYS IN before Dawson's story even STARTED (which was the 6th day). And on that same 6th day, approximately between the hours of 3pm to 4pm, was Farrier's story. The 7th day was Tommy and Alex on the train the following day.

All I did was told you everything leading UP to when Dawson found Cillian Murphy's character. And I gave you in detail everything that happened which were ALL IN THE MOVIE. The U-boat got torpedoed, Murphy's character denied Tommy and Alex to get on the row boat, we SEE THAT SAME ROW BOAT MAKING IT BACK ON THE BEACH which means Cillian Murphy was back on that beach too, we know no more destroyers were coming per conversation between the colonel and the admiral, and we see a man walking into the English Channel as Tommy, Alex and "Gibson" watched. That ALL HAPPENED BEFORE we even gotten to Dawson's ship leaving the port to rescue.

No.

All three time frames synced on the 7th day.

The train ride and arrival "home" is the 8th day

The civilian boats departed in the morning of the 7th day and returned with crew that same night thus their time frame was a day.

Cillian's character crossed over into the day time frame early in the movie ..Its assumed he was stranded at sea for a day or possibly longer. They did not show the interaction between Cillian and Harry until after Cillian was rescued by the cilivians because Harry's time frame was still catching up...

Just reflect back on the pacing of each perspective...

Tom Hardy/One hour.....He was in a rush, continuously asking for fuel..complained how far Dunkirk was etc...

Sea/ Father and Son w/friend/One day ..They had a sense of urgency but there wasn't panic..

Harry/One Week....He was shown sitting..waiting for extended periods..His time frame was shown to be drawn out and dull


Again you're wrong but I'll share more tomorow.