Chris Hemsworth & Scarlett Johansson may not return for Avengers II

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None of these have banked a tenth of the revenue as the Ironman movies. Nobody cares about the Ironman animated series. It was on for 2 years and didn't even get to 30 episodes before getting cancelled.

Obviously they didn't banks as much this was a fukking movie bro now you're just beating around the bush

and people obviously cared about the animated show for it to be around for 2 years
 

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Nobody's saying Ironman's obscure. But he wasn't on the level of Spiderman, the X-Men, Hulk, or even Captain America. And Avengers was always that other Marvel superhero supergroup.

Who in here is arguing that point? Yall keep saying that shyt but NOBODY is arguing that point.


In popular media the X-men have been more popular because of their movies and that cartoon.

Within the comics they started pushing the Avengers hard around 2003. Since then they've been the premier team is comics. If you want to cite an affect the movies had on the comics you'd be better off talking about how Pepper Potts suddenly became a central character again after the first movie and how they put the arc reactor back in Stark's chest.
 

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As others have already said, the movie had been in development for a while. Even with the first Iron Man movie RDJ wasn't the first person cast. Terrance Howard was the first person to sign on for the film.

And Iron Man did have his own animated series, and multiple appearances in other cartoon series, various appearances in video games, and lots of merchandise.

You keep saying "If he was such a fascinating character" as if RDJ completely reinvented the character when that's just not the case. Everything RDJ has done with the Tony Stark character had been done in the comics for decades.

Too bad the moviegoing public didnt give a shyt :russ:
 

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None of these have banked a tenth of the revenue as the Ironman movies. Nobody cares about the Ironman animated series. It was on for 2 years and didn't even get to 30 episodes before getting cancelled.

:childplease:

What T.V. show has ever made as much or more money than big budget movie?'

And at this point it's stupid to keep trying to argue that "Nobody cared about Iron Man before the movies" when the character has appeared in plenty of places before that film. Hell I remember they had Iron Man in one of the early Tony Hawk games.
 

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Obviously they didn't banks as much this was a fukking movie bro now you're just beating around the bush

and people obviously cared about the animated show for it to be around for 2 years

26 episodes for a TV is nothing. 2 years for a TV show is nothing. You can't base a movie franchise on the "success" of a 26 episode TV show.

Who in here is arguing that point? Yall keep saying that shyt but NOBODY is arguing that point.


In popular media the X-men have been more popular because of their movies and that cartoon.

Within the comics they started pushing the Avengers hard around 2003. Since then they've been the premier team is comics. If you want to cite an affect the movies had on the comics you'd be better off talking about how Pepper Potts suddenly became a central character again after the first movie and how they put the arc reactor back in Stark's chest.

Son, nobody cares about this bullshyt. Nobody cares about arc reactors or Pepper Potts. You're trying to make it more complicated than it really is.

People watch Iron Man and Avengers movies for two things: RDJ acting cocky as shyt and Ironman kicking ass with all of his wild technology. That's it. Everything else is extra.
 

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Too bad the moviegoing public didnt give a shyt :russ:

Because they didn't know about the character. Again nobody is arguing that the character isn't more well know/popular now.

The debate is how much credit does RDJ deserve for the characters popularity. The concept of the character is one that I feel would have taken off with any charismatic actor. I'm not gonna give RDJ sole success for the film box office success when RDJ had never shown himself to be a box office draw before that.
 

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What T.V. show has ever made as much or more money than big budget movie?'

And at this point it's stupid to keep trying to argue that "Nobody cared about Iron Man before the movies" when the character has appeared in plenty of places before that film. Hell I remember they had Iron Man in one of the early Tony Hawk games.

Once again, you're trying to make this more complicated than it really is. When Iron Man came out, no kid was saying, "Yo, that's that secret character from Tony Hawk 1! I gotta go peep that.". :heh:
 

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He's the star of a billion dollar movie franchise that most people had never heard of beforehand. That's all that matters. He doesn't have to add anything to a character most people had never heard of.

Especially when there's no evidence of them being a huge box office draw before then.

That's what's hilarious about that particular part of the argument. People want to give RDJ sole credit for Iron Man being a box office success, but the moment you point out that he wasn't bringing in audiences like that before "That doesn't matter, it has nothing to do with what we're talking about".

Plebs don't understand. Stark is a great character. At least for today's America. Anyone could have pulled off a convincing Stark. RDJ did a great job with the first one. Especially since they did a lot of improvisation. But the rest of the films..run of the mill shyt. It makes them money, so they want to stick with it, but the only good Iron Man film is the first one
 

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26 episodes for a TV is nothing. 2 years for a TV show is nothing. You can't base a movie franchise on the "success" of a 26 episode TV show.

Except that they kind of did...The movie was in development BEFORE RDJ had signed on. You acting like RDJ completely re imagined the character and was the person who got the entire film made. If Tom Cruise hadn't gone on his "talk show spazz out tour" he'd have been Tony Stark.



Son, nobody cares about this bullshyt. Nobody cares about arc reactors or Pepper Potts. You're trying to make it more complicated than it really is.

People watch Iron Man and Avengers movies for two things: RDJ acting cocky as shyt and Ironman kicking ass with all of his wild technology. That's it. Everything else is extra.

Apparently you do since you brought that shyt up. You were the one who came in here talking how Iron Man was a minor character before the movies that nobody knew or cared about.

But the moment somebody points out you're wrong THEN "Nobody cares". :childplease:
 

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Plebs don't understand. Stark is a great character. At least for today's America. Anyone could have pulled off a convincing Stark. RDJ did a great job with the first one. Especially since they did a lot of improvisation. But the rest of the films..run of the mill shyt. It makes them money, so they want to stick with it, but the only good Iron Man film is the first one

You're getting off track. Honestly, I didn't care for the second movie either and I thought the third one was just fine. But based on the box office success of the movies and the popularity of the character, we're arguing if RDJ is replaceable. He's not, which is why he's demanding such a large amount of money for Ironman4/Avengers 2.

All of the Pirates movies are shyt except for the first one. Depp can still name his price if they want to make a fifth one.
 

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Except that they kind of did...The movie was in development BEFORE RDJ had signed on. You acting like RDJ completely re imagined the character and was the person who got the entire film made. If Tom Cruise hadn't gone on his "talk show spazz out tour" he'd have been Tony Stark.





Apparently you do since you brought that shyt up. You were the one who came in here talking how Iron Man was a minor character before the movies that nobody knew or cared about.

But the moment somebody points out you're wrong THEN "Nobody cares". :childplease:

Ask some 11 year old kid in Bumfukk, Nebraska if he cares about arc reactors or Pepper Potts or the development schedule involved with making Ironman 1. All he knows is that he's watching the new Ironman/Avengers movie with his mom/friends day 1, he's copping all that Ironman fresh merch, and he's dressing up as Tony Stark for Halloween. That doesn't happen 15-20 years ago. RDJ's a big reason for that.
 

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Like I said the other day - :salute: RDJ sticking up for his team mates.

If this franchise turns to shyt due to Marvel/Disney's fukkery, at least we can say that we got that first Avengers movie. And on top of that, I don't think they'll ever be able to create that epic feeling that we all got when first saw them together for the first time ready to kick some ass.



Damn so many of these smileys could express the feeling that I got when I saw that at the first midnight screening a year ago.

:whew::jawalrus::ooh::lawd::wow::ohlawd::dj2::clap:

All at once. Plus more.
 
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Like I said the other day - :salute: RDJ sticking up for his team mates.

If this franchise turns to shyt due to Marvel/Disney's doing, at least we can say that we got that first Avengers movie. And on top of that, I don't think they'll ever be able to create that epic feeling that we all got when first saw them together for the first time ready to kick some ass.

The Avengers - Hulk Return (I'm Always Angry) - YouTube

Damn so many of these smileys could express the feeling that I got when I saw that at the first midnight screening a year ago.

:whew::jawalrus::myman::ahh::ooh::ohlawd::wow::lawd::dj2::clap:

All at once.

Whendon has already said multiple times he's not going for another huge epic battle with Aliens and shyt. He wants the next Avengers film to be Darker and more personal.
 
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