This thread is hilarious...
And Wacky, I didn't forget about you...
Here's why I said you don't have a clue what you're talkin' about half the time... one of the "points" you had was that Wu never headlined an urban tour, and they were doing stuff with RATM nshyt. Ah, how naive... lemme take you back to the 90s.
After about '91 up until '99, there were NO hip-hop tours. The only attempt (which ended up getting shut down in two weeks) was the Chronic Tour in '93- Dre, Snoop, Pac, Onyx, Run-DMC, Boss, & Geto Boys. Other than that, big arenas and venues like that were not welcoming hip-hop tours or anything like that. Security prices were mega-high, and the owners didn't want the headache. So here's what happened- artists in that time period either had to find their way into some R&B/rap ensemble tour, or do one-off arena concerts, or perform at smaller spots that were paying them to perform. The music was selling, but nobody was investing money into a hip-hop tour for a loooong time. So all the guys from that era- Wu, Bone, Mobb, Pac, Nas, whoever... none of those dudes headlined any national tours. And Wu was only able to co-headline that tour because it was with a rock band, which was pretty much the same as touring with R&B artists- something to ensure that the crowd wouldn't just be a bunch of hoods. Fukked up to think about, but that's what happened. It basically took the safe No Way Out tour for arenas to even consider that kinda shyt, then came the Hard Knock tour, and the Cash Money/Ruff Ryders, and Up In Smoke. Before that, there hadn't been a strictly hip-hop tour since Public Enemy was headlining. Everybody from our beloved "90s Golden Era" suffered. Sure, they still did shows, still got their money... but those big cross-country tours like Run-DMC, LL, PE, etc. did in the 80s? Negative. So it's not really a discredit to Wu to say they didn't headline any tours... NOBODY did. And if they were running tours back then, Wu was definitely big enough to have headlined one, as was Bone.