Cashman is TERRIBLE. $200M/Year, One World Series in 12 seasons?

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I'm not arguing with you about the Orioles and their potential. I'm disagreeing with you that the Yanks weren't expected to win. 'casual' :laugh: yet you haven't made one valid point in here and now you're backpedaling.

Supposed tos aware now dictated by bettors odds?

Most hardened sports fans knew coming in that the Yanks didn't pass the eye test.
 

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Name the Yankee fans that say "we underachieved."

Many of us talked about the very flaws we saw exposed in the playoffs all year.

Want to find out? Read the Yankees thread!!!

shyt....the past two years. It's isn't about under achievement....this is about a poorly constructed team, so please kill the sense of entitlement angle.

If y'all think you did anything BUT underachieve, then it's crazy thinking to me.

The team might be poorly constructed, but that's hard to say when you win that many games. So then what is it really, poorly constructed, or underachieved in the playoffs?

From top to bottom, the lineup that the Yankees put out on Game 1 of the Tigers series is pretty great. Ignore the hitting slumps. From 1 to 9, that lineup is REALLY good. So to be 1 of only 4 Yankee teams to get swept in 50 7-game playoff series is nothing but underachieving.

Does the roster need to be shaken up? Without a doubt. But they shouldn't have been swept. :ld:
 

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If y'all think you did anything BUT underachieve, then it's crazy thinking to me.

The team might be poorly constructed, but that's hard to say when you win that many games. So then what is it really, poorly constructed, or underachieved in the playoffs?

From top to bottom, the lineup that the Yankees put out on Game 1 of the Tigers series is pretty great. Ignore the hitting slumps. From 1 to 9, that lineup is REALLY good. So to be 1 of only 4 Yankee teams to get swept in 50 7-game playoff series is nothing but underachieving.

Does the roster need to be shaken up? Without a doubt. But they shouldn't have been swept. :ld:
Well thank us for being crazy. I can link over 100 posts during the season threads about Yankee fans collective worry over our inability to make "scratch runs" and fears of our over reliance in home runs would kill us in the playoffs.

Call us crazy, but don't speak for our fan base when it's obvious you have no place being our spokesman.
 
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Whichever stance you want to take whether you believe they were expected to win or not, management is still at fault.. They were expected to win because of the NAMES (i.e. all-stars/former all-stars). They are supposed to have the most talent.

You said yourself they are "poorly constructed". Ok. I don't disagree with their flaws, I pointed them out in this very thread. But that's part of the issue. They have a team that is $200M deep in payroll and somehow have noticeable flaws? How is that not management's fault?

One more thing.. Tigers and Cards (also Giants) are all in the top ten in payroll. Leave the bullshyt "anyone can win" talking point at the door.
 

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I'm not arguing with you about the Orioles and their potential. I'm disagreeing with you that the Yanks weren't expected to win. 'casual' :laugh: yet you haven't made one valid point in here and now you're backpedaling.
I have pointed out to you how baseball contracts work and you continue to push forward your payroll talk. The Yankees have to retool and they do it better than any other team out there.

Want an example of a disaster? Look what is happening down in Miami and look at what just happened to the Red Sox. Its more than just adding contracts you moron.
 

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Well thank us for being crazy. I can link over 100 posts during the season threads about Yankee fans collective worry over our inability to make "scratch runs" and fears of our over reliance in home runs would kill us in the playoffs.

Call us crazy, but don't speak for our fan base when it's obvious you have no place being our spokesman.

:whoa:

I don't doubt that y'all saw this coming, even analysts knew teams that rely on homeruns rarely do well in the playoffs. I also happen to watch a LOT of Yankee games, so I feel it's very much in my right to say that offense underachieved. I mean, be honest. They never led in 39 innings against the Tigers!

Just because y'all worried about it happening and then it did doesn't change the fact that the team on the field underachieved (in the postseason, not regular season).

It probably just sounds like I'm attacking your squad, but I'm really not. I was actually pulling for them, I wanted to see a Cards/Yankees WS.
 

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Whichever stance you want to take whether you believe they were expected to win or not, management is still at fault.. They were expected to win because of the NAMES (i.e. all-stars/former all-stars). They are supposed to have the most talent.

You said yourself they are "poorly constructed". Ok. I don't disagree with their flaws, I pointed them out in this very thread. But that's part of the issue. They have a team that is $200M deep in payroll and somehow have noticeable flaws? How is that not management's fault?

One more thing.. Tigers and Cards (also Giants) are all in the top ten in payroll. Leave the bullshyt "anyone can win" talking point at the door.

Why are you being obvious about it being managements fault in a thread basically titled its managements fault?

:heh:
 

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Did you bring up one valid point?

:usure:

What does it matter how Ichiro was performing in Seattle this year?

:usure:

THAT is what the thread is about.

No, this thread is about a different thing depending on what point of yours is thrown in the bushes. It's about Cashman being a terrible GM. Except he isn't. It's about the Yankees having a dartboard all star team. Except they don't. It's about Gary Sheffield being a bad signing. Except he wasn't. It's about singing and trading for great players past their prime, except it's about signing big time free agents in their prime, except it's about Kei Igawa and Carl Pavano. It's about making a bunch of invalid points, then asking if someone else has made a valid point. It's about understanding the playoffs can be a crapshoot, but not understanding the playoffs can be a crapshoot. It's about not winning a World Series almost every year being a disgrace when your payroll is high, but also ignoring that the highest payrolls often don't even make the playoffs. It's about the changing game of playoff baseball where 1 game and 5 game playoffs maximize the crapshoot aspect of the postseason, and the increase in teams from 2 to 4 to 6 to 8 over the years does the same, but it's about simultaneously dismissing that to make the same simplistic point again. It's about an old ass team full of holes and flaws that suffered injury after injury somehow winning the most games in the AL, but it's about how that team is a traveling all star team that should've been penciled in for a World Series. It's about... not a coherent fukking thing.

For the last twelve years the Yanks have handed out massive longterm contracts to Tex, CC, Giambi, A-Rod.. the list goes on and on plus overpaying to keep their own..plus bringing in contracts via trades that nobody else wants... plus sweeping garbage contracts like Igawa's and Pavano's under the rug.. This is about the payroll and the fact that they have won a single title during this span.

The New York Yankees win their division almost every single year and continually compete for titles. Thee is no other team in the history of baseball who can say the same thing with consistency. They are their own measuring stick. They are also revenue generators who can afford to take on shytty contracts and who an afford to overpay their own players rathe than risk losing them. This is capitalism, not communism. Major League Baseball is a professional sport, not a game at recess. They've got a shytload of money, and they make a serious attempt to contend every year. That combination both allows for and leads to risk-taking and bloated payroll.

With a $200M+ payroll, They should make the playoffs.

Which is simplistic as it gets. No matter how much money you spend, there are a thousand different factors that go into a successful season. The second, third, and fourth highest payrolls didn't make the playoffs. Spending money doesn't get you an automatic contender. The Marlins had more young talent than the Yankees this year. They never were a threat. The Dodgers had the runner up in the MVP and the Cy Young winner, and added seemingly ever single available talented player on the market at the trade deadline. They couldn't make the playoffs.

The Jays and O's have been mediocre at best. The Rays had a 3-year run where they were solid and the Red Sox are the Red Sox.

Which is a really retarded way to say the Rays might have the best rotation in baseball, the Red Sox have been spending out the ass and have had their own veritable all star team, the O's won 90 something games this year, and the Jays would've had a real playoff shot anywhere but the AL East in 2 of the past 4 years.


They were the favorites in the AL coming into the playoffs this year, were swept by the Tigers and scored a total of 6 runs. But hey, they made the playoffs :laugh:

There is no excuse for their performance.

Yes, they played horribly. And they lost to a team whose top two starters are better than theirs, and whose best hitter just won a triple crown, and who signed an all star free agent for $215 million in the offseason. They faced a team that underachieved in the regular season but had the two best players in the series, and they turned in a shytty performance. Baseball: where shyt like that happens.
 

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I have pointed out to you how baseball contracts work and you continue to push forward your payroll talk. The Yankees have to retool and they do it better than any other team out there.

Want an example of a disaster? Look what is happening down in Miami and look at what just happened to the Red Sox. Its more than just adding contracts you moron.

:beli:

They have deeper pockets than any other team out there you mean. Yankees don't retool, they rebuild. What the Red Sox are currently doing, THAT'S retooling.

Teams that retool better: Tampa Bay, St. Louis, Texas.

Actually, I'm interested to know who people think has the best front office in baseball, that'd be an interesting convo.
 

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They have deeper pockets than any other team out there you mean. Yankees don't retool, they rebuild. What the Red Sox are currently doing, THAT'S retooling.

Teams that retool better: Tampa Bay, St. Louis, Texas.

Actually, I'm interested to know who people think has the best front office in baseball, that'd be an interesting convo.
you don't even know the difference between retool and rebuild.

Please stop...NOW
 

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Also, who said the Yankees have the best front office in baseball? Man you guys and your reading comprehension...I will give you a pass since its 1:30AM in the east.
 
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You don't understand because you are not reading.

The main point is Yankees + $200M = 1 WS in 12 years = management's fault
This includes..

-bringing in all-stars from teams dumping payroll

-signing an Asian pitcher that was a bust (who they swept under the rug, what other teams can do that?)

-Overpaying free agents (bidding against themselves)

-Overpaying their own free agents (again, bidding against themselves)

You say the Yanks compete every year (i.e. make the playoffs). So do the Cardinals, yet their payroll is half of the Yanks and they have similar (maybe better) results..

I don't give a shyt if the Red Sox and Mets are fools. Stop trying to deflect from the situation. Nobody spends close to what the Yanks spend and they have underachieved, period.

George wouldn't be pleased with this result. He wouldn't say "well.. we're making the playoffs.." Motherfukkers heads would be rolling. The Tigers just embarrassed the Yanks. Embarrassed a team that (yes, Vegas odds) was favored on paper to win the AL.

..and the obvious flaws that WE ALL SEE are management's fault. What, you don't think I follow the team? You don't think I listen to your idiot fans call in every day whining about "situational hitting"? :laugh:
 

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you don't even know the difference between retool and rebuild.

Please stop...NOW

Nah, you're right, I did get them switched around. :snoop:

My point was going to be that the Yankees, for some reason, always had great prospects, and trading them away for in the moment competitiveness obv. has hindered them.

It's the reason why I don't listen when people say they buy championships.
 
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