Cashman is TERRIBLE. $200M/Year, One World Series in 12 seasons?

[Walt]

Wait, a team with their payroll had no business making it? Why were they the favorites in Vegas then?

Oh word? They were Vegas favorites? Oh shyt, b. I take back all those facts I posted, this was actually a dartboard all star team, with a rotation built for playoff greatness and a lineup full of all stars top to bottom.

The thread is about the last twelve years, bub.

Yeah, I gathered that, jack. And for the last two decades the Yankees have been a playoff team year in and year out. They're consistently in position for title runs, I don't go into the realm of nonsense of "they spend the most, they should win every year." You have fun trolling in that space.

Tex wasn't a high priced free agent?

Yes, in 2008. Vernon Wells was once a high priced free agent. So were a lot of players who aren't as good now as they were 4 years ago.

CC wasn't?

You said dartboard all stars. Congrats on naming the one bonafide All Star the Yankees had this year who wasn't homegrown.

Giambi?

That's not even C level trolling.

Igawa? Money down the drain.

Is the point that the yankees buy a dartboard all star team or that they spend money on shytty players? Or does it just switch depending on what spin you're looking to achieve?

Brought in former all-stars like Sheffield and Randy Johnson? How did they work out?

Randy was well past his prime. Sheff played two full seasons with the Yankees. He finished 8th in the MVP voting one year, 2nd in the other. I'd say by sensible measures it worked out pretty fukking well.

They overpaid for Soriano.

Who had a great season for them when Mo went down. Great point.

They brought in Ichiro.

Seriously? Ichiro? Doesn't help your point in any way, shape, or form. He had an obp under .300 for most of the year and Seattle was willing to give him away.

You can argue that Granderson was a "savvy" move.

I wouldn't though. I'd just point out he was scuffling in Detroit, they gave up good players to get him, he had one very good year and otherwise has been one-dimensional.

Bottom line, one World Series after all that in twelve years? The issue with the Yankees and their inability to hit in the postseason isn't something fresh. It's not a new talking point. Cashman doesn't know how to do anything but write a check.

Bottom line: year in, year out the Yankees are in position to make title runs. Other teams spend lots of money and fall flat on their faces. The second, third, and fourth highest payrolls didn't even make the postseason. The World Series is about to be played between the two playoff teams with the the fewest wins. That's how the MLB playoffs work since the field was expanded from 4 to 8 to 10 teams. The Yankees keep winning their division, keep making runs, and keep making a ton of money. Cashman made a slew of savvy moves this year. If he had complete control - which he has pretty much never had - he'd deserve more scorn.

 

[The War Report]

You can make the point without going to such an extreme that you undercut yourself.

Who are these dart-board all stars? Kuroda, the #3 starter from a non-playoff team? Nova, a homegrown, inconsistent pitcher? Russell Martin, a reclamation project? Andruw Jones, the definition of ? A past his prime, part time playing Raul Ibanez? Robbie Cano, a homegrown all star? Curtis Granderson, a player who was scuffling and came at the price of two excellent prospects? The left side of the infield, who are collectively 745 years old? Pineda, who cost the Yankees their most valuable prospect and didn't pitch an inning? Freddy Garcia, who is Freddy Garcia? Andy Pettite, who was retired, then had a broken leg? Oh, you must be talking about Ichiro, who is old and broken down and had an obp under .300 for a good chunk of the season in Seattle. Ladies and gentlemen, the embarrassment of riches is impossible to comprehend.

This is probably the worst season to make that kind of claim. Cashman made a slew of savvy moves this season, and this team had no business winning the most games in the AL and making it to the ALCS.

The team is pretty much THE model of excellence and consistency in professional sports. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th highest payrolls this year didn't even make the playoffs.

My dude Walt sonning these c*nts that don't know shyt about the team but the payroll.

 

[The War Report]

The majority of teams in the MLB would kill to win a tittle once in a 12 year span.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Did you bring up one valid point? What does it matter how Ichiro was performing in Seattle this year? The point is he makes a lot of fukking money and has been a perennial all-star.

THAT is what the thread is about. For the last twelve years the Yanks have handed out massive longterm contracts to Tex, CC, Giambi, A-Rod.. the list goes on and on plus overpaying to keep their own..plus bringing in contracts via trades that nobody else wants... plus sweeping garbage contracts like Igawa's and Pavano's under the rug.. This is about the payroll and the fact that they have won a single title during this span. With a $200M+ payroll, They should make the playoffs. The Jays and O's have been mediocre at best. The Rays had a 3-year run where they were solid and the Red Sox are the Red Sox.

They were the favorites in the AL coming into the playoffs this year, were swept by the Tigers and scored a total of 6 runs. But hey, they made the playoffs

There is no excuse for their performance.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Oh word? They were Vegas favorites? Oh shyt, b. I take back all those facts I posted

But yet, they know more than you do.

 

[Liquid]

Honestly the fact that the Yankees made it to the ALCS is amazing within itself this season.

That whole roster needs to be shaken up, none of the position players on there besides Cano are in their prime. Ichiro was actually a very good move by Cashman...he played well and was the only one who showed up in the ALCS

 

[jfkennedy]

The team is pretty much THE model of excellence and consistency in professional sports.

Nah, that team is playing in the NLCS.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Honestly the fact that the Yankees made it to the ALCS is amazing within itself this season.

How is it amazing when they were supposed to? Who didn't pick that team to make it to be ALCS? Furthermore, if you believe that they shouldn't have been there then that is an indictment on management itself for having a roster that makes that much money and underperforming in relation to how much they make.

 

[jfkennedy]

Both Walt and ol' dude he's arguing with are right.

THIS year, the Yankees really had no place being in the playoffs. But if you look at a culmination of the past 12 years, then Yankee fans can't say anything but "we underachieved."

Teams don't pay all of that money to just crack into the playoffs. The goal is a world championship, and outside of '09 they haven't gotten it done. But unless you're a fan of a team who has won since then, there's little you can say.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I can't believe we live in an age where "making the playoffs" is an accomplishment for Yankee fans.

If George was alive he'd kick you in the skull and spit on your rotting corpse.

 

[Liquid]

How is it amazing when they were supposed to? Who didn't pick that team to make it to be ALCS? Furthermore, if you believe that they shouldn't have been there then that is an indictment on management itself for having a roster that makes that much money and underperforming in relation to how much they make.

Who SAID they were supposed to? Any serious journalist should have had the Red Sox taking the AL East and the yankees MAYBE winning the wild card because the Orioles are a better AND younger team.

Stop looking at the payroll and automatically thinking that it brings success without putting the work in. Does the inflated payroll help? Sure does, but look at other high payroll teams...like the Mets. NOBODY expects them to win even when their payroll was right behind the Yankees and the Red Sox since 2000.

The Red Sox imploded, Jeter had a better season than expected and the Ichiro signing was a blessing. Cashman is a great GM honestly, to get the best you have to pay for the best. You guys are bytching about the Yankees payroll because everyone on this squad is in the absolute twilight of their careers save for a handful. Will people really start questioning C.C. earning a crazy amount of money when he finally starts wearing down? That's part of the GAME...you have to fork up a large contract to hopefully get 5-6 great years and hopefully a decent 1-2 years after that. They are dealing with the SAME thing with A-Rod right now. I love the hate A-Rod is getting right now...dude came to New York and was an absolute MONSTER for the first 5-6 years...now that the whole team is struggling (including himself) and he is made out to be the scapegoat.

Learn the game or just stfu. It makes you look silly on a sports forum. I don't even FOLLOW the yankees like that.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Learn the game or just stfu. It makes you look silly on a sports forum. I don't even FOLLOW the yankees like that.

Yawn.

Here's March and look who tops the AL
as of March 6:

Philadelphia Phillies 11/2
New York Yankees 13/2
Los Angeles Angels 7/1
Detroit Tigers 8/1
Boston Red Sox 10/1
Texas Rangers 10/1
San Francisco Giants 15/1
Tampa Bay Rays 18/1
Cincinnati Reds 20/1
Miami Marlins 20/1
Atlanta Braves 22/1
St. Louis Cardinals 25/1
Arizona Diamondbacks 28/1
Milwaukee Brewers 28/1
Washington Nationals 30/1
Colorado Rockies 35/1
Chicago Cubs 40/1
Toronto Blue Jays 40/1
Los Angeles Dodgers 45/1
Cleveland Indians 60/1
Chicago White Sox 65/1
Minnesota Twins 75/1
Kansas City Royals 80/1
New York Mets 80/1
Oakland Athletics 80/1
Pittsburgh Pirate 100/1
San Diego Padres 100/1
Seattle Mariners 100/1
Baltimore Orioles 150/1
Houston Astros 200/1

Now get the fukk out of here, loser.

 

[Liquid]

Yawn.

Here's March and look who tops the AL
as of March 6:


Now get the fukk out of here, loser.

most of those are safe bets from casuals who don't know any better...like yourself.

Those who were paying attention to baseball last year knew the Orioles were about to come up.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Both Walt and ol' dude he's arguing with are right.

THIS year, the Yankees really had no place being in the playoffs. But if you look at a culmination of the past 12 years, then Yankee fans can't say anything but "we underachieved."

Teams don't pay all of that money to just crack into the playoffs. The goal is a world championship, and outside of '09 they haven't gotten it done. But unless you're a fan of a team who has won since then, there's little you can say.

Name the Yankee fans that say "we underachieved."

Many of us talked about the very flaws we saw exposed in the playoffs all year.

Want to find out? Read the Yankees thread!!!

shyt....the past two years. It's isn't about under achievement....this is about a poorly constructed team, so please kill the sense of entitlement angle.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I'm not arguing with you about the Orioles and their potential. I'm disagreeing with you that the Yanks weren't expected to win. 'casual' yet you haven't made one valid point in here and now you're backpedaling.